If Joe declares, which I expect him to, every establishment Democrat will fall in line and say Joe is our guy. A lot of Americans will be like, well, Joe was our guy, but he's going to be 82 at the end of '24, and if I vote for him, I have this very uncomfortable feeling that I'm really voting for his VP or successor—which, by the way, added layer of complexity, I think will be Kamala again.