Artist Spotlight: The Caribbean Glitch Art of IX Shells

I think I have a lot of patience. I learned to live with very little because of things in life that I couldn't handle. And me focusing on the art meant that everything that I invested was on my computer. And I devices to create art. When I started selling in Estes. I could give back to my family, could tell them. Hey, I got the groceries today and I did some

all things like that. I was so happy.

That was IX shells. I got to say, I'm still kicking myself when I was outbid a few months back on and I shells artwork on super rare. Her generative art is just absolutely phenomenal. Highly recommend heading over to Masterpiece Gallery that will link up in the show notes. So you can get a sense of the gist huge wide variety of generative art that she produces iock shells.

Several records from the two million dollar sale of her artwork dreaming at dusk. That sale means she's the highest grossing, nft Artist as a woman, a black artist, and a Panamanian just a fantastic Human. The show was a ton of fun. Let's chat with

her. So first question

for you, I axe is, like, do I refer to use IX II? IX shells. How should I refer to

you? I think most of my friends prefer to say excels person.

Reason, this name has different meanings. So that's why. I I just let everyone just used anything that they prefer.

I would love to just touch on that for just a quick second. Like it. Can you give me the background on on eggshells? Is that like a, it's as shortening of your formal name?

Correct. Eggshells. Is it means to same and the Mayan culture. It means goddess of the moon fertility. The

Mose and the modern culture actuals translated to Spanish or letting is it cell? Which is my, my formal name. Also. I develop other meanings. Like I said, reading doing which is one of my favorite books. There's a planet called X in there where they built my kinery and they will on top of artificial intelligence intelligence has been

ban from the universe. So it just relates to a lot of but could probably happen in the future. And also, shelves is a computer program that where you can access the computers without request. So I just like doing that with everything, with my name, with art, with the people. I meet this everything around me. It has like a parallel

When you talk about your interest in either AI or sci-fi or any of the stuff, did you always consider yourself a geeky person growing up?

Well, I could say that I never learn anything different. I grew up surrounded with but mostly anime when I was a kid. Now a lot of people in Panama where I'm from just grows of like watching anime.

And I remember waking up super early to watch my favorites, whenever I was misbehaving or anything. My dad will give me a book to read and I could not stand until I finish like certain chapters or he will give me like encyclopedia or he will make me right. Like anything, that was just like enhancing like, I guess know that as a kid even in English as

That's where I learned my English. It was in that form. It's reading or writing did the, I'm

curious as I'm a dad now with a couple little girls. Who was that? Like was that it would you consider that a good form of punishment? Like did it encourage you to like, you know, get into these topics or was it something? Where at the time you were just like, oh, this is the worst punishment

ever. Thank you. Well, actually learn to love it. Like, I don't know if I'm I think it's everything else can be a waste of time. Like just go.

Go to your room, do whatever in there. Anything you can do something more. Practical. My dad was an engineer. So he was always, like, trying to engineer everything around him. I think I learned a lot from hearing the said. Yeah, that's that's what I've been doing all

along in. So it was something where you did you grow up with computers in the house or what was that first kind of experience for you getting into

Yes, I grew up surrounded by computers.

Like one of the first I think my dad had like all kind of artifacts around. He was into telecommunications and satellite. So every time he was in his Workshop, building something or kind of like inventing his ways around like you also working in the farm we grew up in a and the countryside and we had a land, a piece of

Land where he used to plant stuff and just I guess plan his retirement to be an agriculture. Yeah. I remember, just growing up learning how to how to build things like that learning and seeing from him. I think a lot of what I do is I'm inspired by my childhood to

it. What brought you to this place of the combination of

Of technology and an art, was it something where you always had a Natural Curiosity for kind of coding and that led to more our? Did you have a little bit of traditional art and you as well like in school. Did you ever focus on any of that or what was that? How did those two things come together?

So a new school? I was more focused on an actual data. I Remember Loving Accounting in math.

And just doing practical things in terms of a time. And I was doing a lot of sports. I'll stay Outdoors, most of the time, and force, my brother to play with me. I guess he doesn't like sports, but I'll tell him like I've, you know, the typical just being a kid. Like, if you do this, I'll probably play with you later. Whatever you want and the console also grew up playing video games. You know, it's me.

Any other spoon? I remember clearly just spending most of my days in nature, just Outdoors playing sports. So I think I develop my, my love for art, as I as a grownup. I I've always loved art, but making it wasn't wasn't focused. I guess I was more into music too. I remember trying to learn every single instrument.

I even try to sing opera when I was a kid, amazing. Yeah, we're almost too shy to remember going to class and not really going in sometimes so, you know, your voice changes and just change the habits. Um, I've done a little bit of everything trial, my life writing. This is the artist like the one, I feel more comfortable.

So, you're someone that likes to dabble in a bunch of different disciplines is something where it is. This is like, I'll give you my example, my friends always tell me that, like, I have too many hobbies. Like I like I took a sewing class one time just because I had never learned how to sew and like that seems ridiculous. But I, you know, why not? It's like, I just, I saw it. I was like, I'd that's something I haven't done before and I just signed up for it, right? Were you were you someone that had which is always trying new different

things. I mean, if

Interesting, if I feel attracted to to it, if inspires me, for example, this month. I've been playing a lot online and it made me it reminded me of how I get very disciplined when I play a game. I think it really helps me rather than take time away from me.

I had done a lot of like difficult things in life and paperwork and move to another country while playing an open world, bro, bro, playing game and I think it's because it just guides me through, you know, follow instructions Gathering achievements and learning about other worlds. Also, I get super super focused in my brain works. That way that I get hyper focus on Art. So, when I have a lot of projects going on,

Once like a half right now. It's pretty overwhelming. I just dive into something that makes me focus on one thing and then I feel more relaxed. I feel like my brain can can handle real

words that kind of a way for you to get deep distress a little bit. Just to kind of like have something about a different Universe to go

Yeah, multiple Dimensions. Also feel really, really focus when I saw sharing art, even if the project that I'm honest not related with, with it directly. I could be, you know, like a guy show, but it's not related with making the art itself or seeing the output and now falling in love with it. Like I usually do. I go into just making art and that makes me focus and have and create and

Finish the other things that I need to do.

When did you first start playing around with generative art, where you coding? Other things, I could offer you some one of these people that just had written other programs like other types of software to do not are related things and then eventually found yourself kind of playing around with it, or was there a tool that popped up that got you excited to play with this type of stuff.

So I must to turn now and 2014.

I was I started a relationship. I started going to college for architectural technology. I remember being really interested in just finishing something that I really love before doing that. I was doing married and I ministration and information technology. I will work as an i-team in different jobs since I was 18, so I learned a lot about it without ever going to college.

And then, I wanted to finish something that I could come back to Panama and get a really good job. And then I do the things I love. Like I was thinking that way and those days because I mean, it's very difficult to earn a proper income in Panama with a funeral without proper English or a degree, you know, salaries here in a developing country are way different than any other. So,

So in a developed country and I remember, just going to architectural technology and really loving it, but it was too too expensive. Came to a point where I had to take a decision and try to find another career things in my relationship got really, really bad and I just needed Escape. I needed something where I could send time around self, and I found an offer in computer science.

Study at goldsmiths University of London. They were offering a degree for developing countries at a lower price and I took it and I wrote a letter of intent and they accept that my my letter. And I was just so proud. Like, I couldn't believe I was accepted in that college because, you know, like its focus on Creative coding and a lot of like New Media Arts and then I started diving

into into that world. I started researching online for tools II found glitch art. I was interested in it, mostly and I found tools like notepad plus Claus. I'm like, really, really simple ways to alter data and images or, or music, or anything, and instead of playing with it, at the time. I was still stressed with like two jobs. Not being able to study in Toronto in a difficult relationship.

Shep. So I just hyper focused on on learning it and I love the outputs. I loved what I was seeing which was

Way, different than any time was used to see. I can see patterns, and trees and buildings, and shadows. It says a beautiful experience to discover another world inside my world. I started really looking through the art and imagining.

Imaginary and I felt like it was slowly healing prom then Society of being in a country by myself, with uncertainty in life, getting older and not being able to find, you know, stability. And I remember just wanting to make art only that. So when I decided to come to Panama and

Keep studying a computer science cool while creating this like abstract Potter's I wasn't feeling well in the sense of like I just left the country were had started from zero, and I'm now it has to start from zero again.

And get used to my country to the culture. After five years of being in Toronto and I came right before the pandemic started. So I really didn't have time to go out there. Meet people and, you know, start speaking Spanish again because I was in Spanish. Speaking in Spanish, my Spanish feels broken and it's just a lot happening in my head.

Head. I spend most of my days.

Just inside my head and my computer in my room. And I think I just develop a relationship with with my art and I what I was doing. I was creating like 10 different artworks or more every day and sharing.

And once I started sharing I've I started feeling better. I had a lot of feedback from from friends since the very start and he said it meeting people and released. I started seeing like I could connect with the world again in a digital form.

And also it myself. So yeah, this that's a little bit of how

How I got into General disorder, that's beautiful. You've been doing for

this for quite some time. I've gone back on, you know on your Instagram. What was what was the place that you found brought you that most most connection luck with other artists? And did you realize there was kind of a movement of generative artist that was emerging or that you could somehow connect with or when did you start hearing about other generative artists?

I remember sharing Hashtags with my art because I started researching how to do this. You know, the whole Instagram thing. It was just at the beginning of Instagram. I think I found within the hashtags. Other words, mostly sci-fi art. A lot of like cyberpunk art and glitch art. Was there at the beginning, or at least, that's what I could find. And they could show number of hashtags that was using at the beginning. I was just

Ghost on what I was doing and also trying to study. I remember trying to find different facts about computer science and sharing it with an image or an output that I will find during the day.

and for example, about software design, Potter's I got so interested in it that everything I see had are parallel with with the terms, for example of a cade where

Duluth and I started sharing in the caption different.

Concepts so I could remember what I was starting what I saw was doing like art just just for fun just to share this like I guess create my alternate reality and

Yeah, then I said it finding other artists and different kind of generative art. I noticed that there wasn't really a lure or concept to it, who's mostly geometry, you know, random outputs, but I always win like an extra mile for anything. I share. Like I don't think I can share anything unless it's like something that is static and I really love. But everything has a little story.

At that shit.

So with a friend eyes, I created a page called creative called are we started sharing other people's work, just for fun and I started creating a community out of it. Like I connected with so many artists, our community get out of our communities. This is quite small compared to, you know, 3dr and then other disciplines, so I

I'm afraid, I think I could say that I, I know a large percentage of during the forest just from my using hashtags or trying to discover something new to share.

So that's cool. So I didn't know you created creative Code art. That that's your your community that you put

together. Yes. I put it together with my friend. He is living in it on. We met through friends, while living in Toronto. And I had many friends from

From Tehran. And yeah, we just were just like talking online and sharing art all the time. And they were, we were like, why don't we make page that that were we can just make like a diary of what we're sharing. So I started sharing because like he couldn't trust his taste that much. He just like, do you like this? Like he will ask me all the time. So,

Yep, just created it together and I kept the creation while he kept making stories. And now they, so he focused on other things and I still managed to page, and I try to share with other artists. We have a small group on Facebook and, and Discord. But the page itself on Instagram has grown uncontrollably.

And I'm really proud of it. I'm proud that the people that follow. So, what I like to share, trust me enough to follow me all the time. It's being like four or five years. Now, we created events out of it. During the pandemic. We were feeling pretty boom out that the, the year that we wanted to make digital events. We couldn't do it. So, somehow we managed to get a place in New York, a friend of ours offer us space. And we

It is a different shows with the help of some friends in New York. It was it was really fun. We were, we were doing BR shows we were using large screens and unlike digital form. And also in the physical space. We started projecting art for three days. We did that three times and in less than four months and I wasn't

I haven't, I've never been so technical with the term of creation. So is doing a lot at once. Almost 200 artists at once each time, just because I wanted to help as many as I could. When I understand, like I should focus more on like smaller groups and try to like push them that those days, it was everything. Everything was for fun. And I remember everything everyone was so excited and sharing all the

I'm sharing stories and I think we created a small space where artists had hope and inspiration, We Gather a lot of visual data from it. I also be managed to sell some tickets with that. We created NG and we gave back everything to the artists and that's what that was before. And if keys, that was before all of this craze where artists are now independent and you don't need, you know,

You can mean your own work and I can get get enough Revenue to create more projects by yourself. You don't need to depend on anyone. So, but those days I feel like I had a responsibility with the audience that I had with the creation. So I did everything. That was my hands to to make that happen.

What was the moment when you first heard about the world of in FTS? Was it something where fellow artists head?

Started to dabble or did all kind of hit you all at once or what happened there.

I heard about nft store in Winter 2020. Someone told me about super rare and tell me about etherium. Wish. I had no idea about I know about photography, but I never really dove into cryptocurrencies. So when I heard of super and like you

Had to make different videos to get in and it was was very complicated. But the time I really didn't go through that process, spend a year, just sharing our time, keep creating. And then I started seeing things happening as we all know. And if the Starks floating around October, I heard about our books around that. I'm true. My friend Demetria charniak. He he was working in the project, I kept seeing

Little teasers about it.

And then my friend who's a treaty artist, Nicole ruggero used to create together 3D art just for fun. I wanted to learn more about it. She saw one of her artworks in one of those new platforms and I just started seeing that I didn't really have to go through, you know, the process of trying to find an online store. So I could actually try to make a living out of my art.

Because I was so into it that I wasn't really working in an office. I wasn't really doing anything else or generating an income. My family was taking care of me and things were guaranteed, a fficult. So I was just thinking of ways to do, keep doing what I love while, I could bring something to my family. The, when I really got interested was

When the, our blocks I came to be with wear, with my friend Dimitri, he sold out his work in 20 minutes. And I, I saw how excited he was about everything and also how he was actually.

He didn't know that was going to happen. I started researching more on where to me and my work how to do it.

And I found the foundation platform to my sir, Nicole. I got an invitation from DC, how our was Community manager. There. She gave me advice. She told me, she loved my work. The first artist that they feature on their Twitter Banner. There were really trying to push. Like I noticed that they were really trying to push like women in the space and also underrepresented communities. Even though there was like

A lot of controversy around limitations and how it was sort of gatekeeper at the beginning. I think, I really think that creation was trying to focus on

starting amount of artists to help them succeed and they helped me a lot. They they show my work. I enough times to help me grow like social media on Twitter. I never used Twitter before. Last year. I started connecting with collector sir and sell you something my work.

Yeah, that that's fantastic. You have some beautiful pieces on Foundation. I always wondered. Why you chose because you did mention earlier you heard of it sounds

Heard of super rare first, the you ended up going with with Foundation. It sounds like the community and they're kind of how great they were at at representing. Under-represented artist was a huge factor in it for you.

Yes. I'm also developed a friendship with with some Vickery odors. They were really interested on where I was from. I noticed that the strategies of bringing people from different parts of the world and then like I could breathe.

People from my country on board, other artists that were on my laying like, generative artists. I got a lot of invitations and I started like teaching others how to use it. I think one of the one of the points toward the things that I love the most about the platform and so I get so easy to use like the user interface. One of the best is always being I could spend hours and they're just like watching.

Our from everything that was at the beginning. It was the fastest. I was just up. I've always been attracted by my user design experiences. So,

I think I create my page as well. Known only from other people's art, but my own Pages, it's like a giant collage and I didn't even plan it. I think I just

I just go with my sense of color or my sense of powders and I keep connecting dots on the way so I could do that on a foundation as well. Well, I'm just play with how I will build my collection. Yeah, it was it was a great experience. Had a lot of fun sharing and not really Shilling. I never really liked just chlorine and

Trying to sell something. I think I always loved attracting collector. So whoever was interested in my art. So that helped a lot to have like a platform where you can show your art and like, its visibility was great. I didn't have to go through all the trouble of like going thread by thread trying to share or trying to sell my work. I wasn't really even though I don't have any money.

In the beginning, I think I have a lot of patience. I learned to live with very little because of, you know, things in life that I couldn't handle and me focusing on the art meant that everything that I invested was on my computer and I devices to create art. But now i-i've with when I started selling a nasties, I could give back to my family, could tell them. Hey, I got the groceries today.

And I did small things like that. I was so happy. If you see my Instagram has I share my first cell there. Like it was a hundred million dollars, to be honest. It felt like that. It felt like it when I eat was like, wow, I can't believe I just got this support to to meant more artwork and also help my family.

Let's let's unpack that for sale little bit. So you said this was one that you saw.

Sold for it. Went 4-1 eith. When would this have

been? Yeah, that was like. That was actually my second cell ever. My first cell was through true Sora and my piece was collected by my friend

Dimitri. Oh beautiful.

You want to help me meant more artworks, but also didn't want to sell. It didn't want to ask for any help because he knows I'm a proud dad, I guess and he he wanted that. He

To collect the piece for me. He wanted to collect my first piece. So that was a gesture for me that he really believed in me what I was doing.

That I will go on until that piece that he collected with Pete, you know, more I guess more valuable. I was thinking and that in the beginning but you know with time and learned that I learned to love.

What we were building here, that is the giant Archive of art that can last. And it is not only just or somewhere else where he can get lost in all of this memories. And the diary that most of the, many of us have have been building for years, can just disappear for me. My Instagram is like a diary and like somewhere where I store a lot of stories I made like hundreds of

If you go through it, like can see every day, making him a story at least and it's just a way for me to connect with people around the world like and I can say I have a friend in like Each corner of the globe. Virus is. Yeah. So amazing.

I gotta say. That's been the most beautiful things to happen to me in this transition from kind of, you know, web to to whatnot. People are calling web. 30 is I realize it.

It's a much more. It's a much broader kind of international audience and not just about the Silicon Valley startup. You know, it's it's it's really a lot more spread out around the world. At least, it seems to me that way at least a my connections. And this went through space have been way more International than than was the, you know, small little insiders game of web to which I think is

My dad's definitely even before and of these as like meeting people through stories, but now you can actually work can actually trust someone through like this technology because it's transparent, right? And also we need it shows us, that we need each other a lot more than what we think. I I use this reference about mycelium networks with block chaining. I

I created a series of artworks with different fungi, fungi element and I started creating this parallel stories with what we're leaving right now. Now, we're connecting, like I have friends in Russia, Barcelona and I even, you know, Dominicana now that's closer to me. But still it's just insane to be able to connect this way. The more we share the more, the more,

Connect and like, the more we see that our tops are not so, so different. Like we have a lot to share, like, in terms of goals in terms of Dreams. Yeah. It's just a, it's a dream. This is doing to connect this way because it's hard for me to do it, I guess. And

In a normal social setting. Mmm.

I'm curious when you talk about connection, you know, some people would say there's there's so many more tools now at our disposal for connecting with people online. But yet, in some sense, there's people are becoming even they can be more Anonymous. Now, you know, that obviously in in real life. How do you think about folks that are anonymous?

This online and creating those types of personas. And then also, you know how we become more inclusive for artists, and the diversity challenges that we face in in, in this

world. I think we are all entitled to the ways that were want to leave being wanted to become an animus. I think I for a long time I was I wasn't using my real name. I was using shells. I wasn't really sharing my photos. I was

Staring art, and I personally felt like I was disappearing. I felt like I was disconnected from myself, even though the art that I created is so connected with my emotions and how I change physically or mentally.

So, not everyone in terms of diversity.

You cannot go out and say, okay. You just life will be easier. If you just become Anonymous, I you don't have to you. You don't get judge my what you say, or what you do online, like you use tend to protect your information more. Yes, but at the close of like disappearing or maybe just becoming someone else and then not being able to handle it. Not everyone is like that, of course.

People has to her online presence with the real names and has a parallel world with an anonymous account to, which I have probably done. But when you say that, there's there's no gender disparity. There's no, the social rules don't apply in crypto. I don't think that's true. Like yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen. And unlike you many years, like, obviously we're very calm him.

We're becoming more connected with data with technology, what we called, Singularity, again us, and our digital presence is stronger, or it seems to be getting stronger than our physical presence. Right? So, and I think at some point where we're going to merge, but that's not happening, right? People that are still depending on their

TT to create art to feel themselves to express to show who they are and what they want are suffering from being judged by the dominant class, right? So,

I don't believe in that argument that I don't need meaty solves everything.

Yeah. Neither do. I, for the record? I think it's people that are making that argument are just, I don't know, feels like a way to escape versus confront and at and just doesn't sit right with me. Not that some people can't be anonymous. I mean, obviously, there's a, there's, there's certain times when when I think that it's, it's essential for safety reasons, and

Slew of other things, but the people that say, that these issues don't exist in web, three or four, just like the this that's that's not that's not the case in my experience at

least. Well, yeah, you're right. Thanks. Sometimes, I want to be anonymous in my own country, even though I've managed to go under the radar with most of the things I'm doing.

Because of, you know, safety mostly Panama is really small and it's not it's not the safest compared to your neural other cities in the world. So doing what I'm doing. It's can be dangerous like depending on where I'm leaving or you know, we tend to joke that we know, we all know each other and we all know what's happening in here because it's like a small town. Basically Panama is also a very centralized like everything is

And trading in the capital and the city and the other provinces are way under develop their just the countryside. So there's this one CD that is really, you know, like has all the resources basically. And that's a clear example of like what cryptos trying to break all of the also say a lot that I love to see my country to become healthier and City, because I think it's a perfect round two.

To to test like this and trolley station and dowse, becoming their own form of governments, and funding decisions funding projects a collective rather than depending on the same corrupt circles that that get in the power, every five years. Yeah.

It is cryptocurrency becoming more more commonplace and in

Crypto has been very coming in Panama for years. Actually. It's we don't have regulations yet, but there's a bill being proposed to get it, get it done. Also focusing on lefties. Like I've met a few people that are promoting this, that are trying to, you know, get things right in the country. So we can use this as an for our advantage rather than just keep seeing the world.

World developing in our eyes and we staying behind. So yeah, I think Panama's has except that being coin and and a theorem for a while now, and I know there's a lot of people that were early and that tried to start, you know, what true developments and products here. So if you come, you'll be surprised

kind of moving a little bit forward to some of your more recent sales and

And I mean some very historic things here. Like you have the highest grossing female artist sale 2 million dollar artwork. The dreaming a desk.

That's right. The happened in March 2010. He won. Wow. Feels like 10 years ago. What what,

what were your expectations going into that? That's sale and what have you sold today? Tanned? And what happened? Can you walk us through what happened

there? Yeah. Sure. So.

So I was approached by Antonio from from the Tor project. She is a product designer. There. She used to be. Yes. I remember her saying that she loved my work. She loved this specific piece called my magnetic flux. I think she's just attracted with this old. Cool. Old-school style of glitch art, or is it just black and white? And also the message I'd like that. I like that she fell in love with the art before.

Or anything else and it wasn't even really.

You know, known in space. I think I had like less than three thousand followers on Twitter, but for some reason, like, of not for some reason, I guess Foundation had me and their feature artists list and others. You only person from the Caribbean from Panama for Latin America selling and if these are foundations, even though I try onboarding other people that it's just not easy, when like

You see like it's so overwhelming to start.

It really didn't have that. The idea. I didn't have any idea that this piece will go for some much. I did my best to create an artwork that fill like. Like that doesn't seem to create it with time, which was like the concept of the bees, their artwork represents. How tour was deprecating there? There onion servicers first.

I know service which was created our own a decade ago. I was proud. I was really proud to be part of the project before that. I was approached by other parents with us. It wasn't last as interesting as something that was really with my career also related with crypto and I with this entirely citation in general. Mmm. So I remember just sharing online on Twitter, talking about it, talking about the history.

Sharing quotes trying to get people excited and interesting about tour, like even if I didn't manage to sell for that much, even though I knew about the presence of like dolls, that care about the work and other older members of the community. And even defy, I wasn't expecting for this, but the day came were I got many messages asking me about the work and

When would it be mean to hurt at what time? And I just noted, there was much more interest than what I could imagine. So it started coming in. And

what were you what were you watching to streaming

online? Yes. I was just the first day. I was just on Twitter, just crawling away and the next day because the auction last 24 hours. I was in a club house with a lot of

People from her story down from my community, the black community people from foundation. And they were so supportive doors, hyping even before the bit started coming in. I was just frozen in front of the computer. Remember, I couldn't see anything. I wasn't even looking at the computers. I think I'll have my eyes closed or something. I just remember hearing stuff and here and how the bits will kept coming in. And I just, I just got frozen for real like,

I don't know. I was another similar Planet. Just thinking how real does this was. I had no idea how this will change my work or anything. I just, I was just in the moment, I guess. And then the

final hammerheads and you see that it goes for that much money. I mean that must have just been a life-changing moment for

you. There were just as Frozen to me my dad. My brother was

My brother was just pale and youth black. He's like he removed lactic. So Steve Tails, so funny. Yeah, actually see like his chin and he never gets excited about anything, but, just games and like, the things he loved like, he's very like, he became really cold with time. But seeing his reaction and moved by the by what I was doing and how things were about to change for us, was what

Exciting anything? Well wasn't I asked him for a hug? I remember I hug them. Told them like I was

yeah, I remember telling them about everything. I was doing my God. I was I kept silent while I was selling a Nifty piece the beginning because I was just we were in Connected that way. I was afraid that they weren't gonna understand and we've always been so independent from each other, but we know we love each other but we just like we are each on our own worlds. I just remember saying like I was, I was working pay my mom's dead.

Try not to much for like the developed country, but here like ten thousand dollars like takes a lifetime to pay. So I paid that I also told my brother to just quit his job that was stressing him out so much. I just want him to live a better life and get better like physically and mentally like I felt like before we weren't doing so well.

All of us. We were just living and trying to survive, to be honest, but now things have changed dramatically. I get, we actually just sit together, talk about our days.

We spend more time together. I feel I feel like there's hope and our environment. Now, I before we all obviously we had hoped before, but I feel like it's just you can actually

See that it's possible soon.

And your father is he not no longer with you

or my father passed away when I was 14. He had an accident motorcycle accident.

I'm sure he would have been so proud to have seen this