back to the point of, you know, getting tossed into deep and you know, I'm doing
Stand up for about two years. I think I'm the fastest comic to ever. Get a network special at Showtime. So I was like, no, for the most part being like, oh, this guy's no two years, this is good for him. No man. When you do that, what happens is it actually pushes you further away from them?
We're live now. Brendan Schaub what's going on. I'm Sam. This is Sean. We just get right into things but we shot and I have been huge fans of you for a long time. You were both huge UFC fans. We go to a bunch of those shows. Been watching you on fire, the kid for a while then the show with Theo Von. Yeah it was awesome. So we've been fans forever. I think we each actually might have a thick Boy shirt.
I love it. Oh sure. Just the body actually so
So I'm a real fan when I went all the way. Thanks and the Heart fellows thinks in the heart, I
don't drink otherwise I would have your your whiskey whiskey, shh. But you know you do lots of stuff. Like I'll kind of give like what I know about you but basically you were you're from Colorado. Played a little bit in the NFL. I don't know if you actually made the cut entirely but you are like, very serious for the Broncos. Went to the UFC. You did awesome, you knocked out.
Great guys. And then you got into Show Business via podcast. So you originally were just on Joe Rogan a bunch eventually launch your own thing and now you have fighter in the kid, but you also have like three or four other podcast right? That I don't know how big are, they, I mean, I know that you get, you have hundreds of thousands of subscribers and each video gets like hundreds of thousands of views. I actually don't know, like, how big the Empire
is? Yeah, sure. So, just going back to like the football. Yes, I played University College.
Corrado for the Buffs who they just got Deion Sanders. So, I'm excited about that. And then I had a cup of coffee with the Buffalo Bills, and I got there in there, like, we're all set on slow white guys. So that broke my heart. And then I, and then I, yeah, then from there, I'll sell them, supplements door-to-door, like see the happiness style and then I started training in Jiu-Jitsu and boxing. And then next thing, you know, you know, I'm fighting grown man. In a steel cage, my underwear and then
Two years. After I started training, I was in the UFC. I made it through the ultimate fighter. Well, as a finalist there
with Kimbo Slice,
right? Yeah. Yeah. The biggest season Aldershot Evans and Rampage Jackson. So yeah, then you know, shortly after that you know there's a common theme in my life it's like I could put in the deep and man it goes 0 to 100. In every aspect of my life is just this common theme throughout my entire career, whether comedy, football, fighting, whatever, it is podcast.
Sing are you thrown in the deep? And I got to figure it out. So I was in the UFC and then probably two years in the Orpheum. Next thing you know, I'm ranked top 10 in the world, you know, and it was terrifying. But then slowly after that I moved to LA because I grew up in Venice Beach in the summers at my uncle's house. When I was a young boy, my dad would always bring me out here for the Summers. So I always felt you know, a weird connection to Los Angeles. So once I could make the move, I made the move and then I start a podcast. This is
is damn near the 11 years ago. 12 years ago, I started a podcast called the fighter in the kid with Bryan Callen.
And yeah, that thing took off. And then now fast forward to 2023, I own a podcast Network. So think boy Network where we have you no Pride around seven shows, you know? So, yeah. So between the fire and the kid, the shop show food truck, Diaries fight companion, the golden hour, you know, it's it's going, well, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. All right, let's take a second to talk about our sponsor today, HubSpot. They have to
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A long, long amateur Journey, then they go to a small promotion, they go to a bigger promotion you kind of fast track that and then in comedy you did the same thing where you kind of went from. I'm UFC fighter, I'm a comedian till I got a special on Showtime really fast and I think there's yeah probably I don't know I don't know you how you think about it now but like there's good and bad with with that fast track on one hand, you learn fast on the other hand, you kind of get your ass kicked because you're pushing the boundary further than maybe you were ready for or
had your look and your
Learning publicly.
Yeah, there you go. Correct. So it's, you know, in hindsight looking at it, even when I was in the UFC, many comedy, I just saw, I wish I had people around me at once. Blow down, man. Now I'm fighting, you don't really have that option, once you're in the UFC, you know, it's the big league so they, you know, they call you with Mirko Cro Cop or Matt, mitrione Orcs, you know, Brock Lesnar. You got to take the fight. So you really don't have control there. I could've been
Margaret about making decisions but I was young you know, and had a lot of belief in myself and you know, eventually that experience catches up with you, you know, like I was a lot more athletic than a lot of those heavy weights. That's why I excel so fast. But again, that's our blessing and a curse because even hit the level where you're fighting, he's that's with 40 50 fights and they've seen a athletic dude, you know, with a good right hand and no good wrestling but you know, eventually, you know, you're this cheat code, it catches up to you need. There's nothing replaces the
Parents. So that was a blessing and a curse a blessing. As far as I was able to transition get out and build a fan base and going to something I've always wanted to do million comedy, you know, really, you know, it's true. What I started comedy, you know, I have some great mentors, you know, and Joe Rogan's like a brother and Bryan, Callen and deal Von and Tom Segura, and Bert Kreischer and Joey dear. So I have just this plethora of just amazing colleagues on that was around and I was only
You know, I do to dinner with them and do all, you know, the podcast with and make them laugh and they all encourage you to do stand-up, which I, you know, always wanted to do since I was a child. So you know, everyone told me, it's me 10 years before you find your voice I'm like yeah, that you know I'm never scared of hard work. Let's do it. So the big issue with that is, you know, I get catapulted, you know, instead of doing open mics, you know, one of my first things I did was, you know, Chicago Theater, you know, the victim.
Under which I'm kind of loud and start because it's a big jump from. Oh this dude's funny. When we hang out crack jokes bus ball. Yeah. This guy, this guy he's a funny guy to you're on stage and you got to do a set. That's like that's like a it's like a different thing altogether and you know me and Sam. We try to like we try to be funny in our little pond. It's like you know how to do that. Funny to be the funniest business podcast. So
we're adorable among midgets is what we
are.
It's like, it's like, you don't have that funny uncle of the party, you know. And if you're, you know, if you're your brother's like, man, I think you're really funny that there's a big difference between your family and friends doing all your funny man should try stand-up and then Bert Kreischer. Joe Rogan Joey Diaz Bryan, Callen, Crystal, and Theo Von doing, dude. You need to stand up, but do you know, you got? What did you even do though? To develop that first? Are you reading the book? Are you, are you just going to your brother's house with a notepad and being like Hey how do I write this shit? Oh no, it's like see.
Your swim. So, you know, I had my 10,000 reps on podcast with comedians. Keep it up with a making them laugh being killed really quick at it. And then really it's almost a perfect situation in order to get started stand-up because the find the kid got, you know, so popular we do live find the kids but remember Brian K in comedy for 30 years. So when they we got off of do a live fire in the kid, I told Brian. And Mike, you ever been to a live podcast? They suck. It's two guys. Not they do the worst dude.
Ryu's. No, man. Know, I'm in Show Biz with 30 years. We're in do performance, so I go. Okay. What do you want to do? So we came up with this whole idea to make it a show and Brian. At the time knew I wanted to stand up but he didn't want to, I guess, scare me because it is scary, you know, just what you doing, friendly sold out crowds when most people are doing open my to 15 other salty comments, you know? So for me, you know, doing it as sold-out crowd, Brian goat. All right here, cuz Brian was always late to the podcast, you know, I'm very professional.
I'm not late, never Layton whatever. 12 years podcast, I've never been late. It's not what I do. So Brian would be late and he's to drive me. Nuts are used to roast them every time coming late. He was I. So our first live show, let's keep up with the theme. We're going to pretend, I'm late, I'm not there and you got to start the show by yourself. So you're gonna tell a story for 10 minutes and I'll come in, you get all upset. We do the whole app and migrate cool. I'm like, I can't handle that. So I tell a story just get own stories so that carries on for, you know, 45 show,
And then again we're at 14 you probably port wine or Seattle, some sold-out theater and I'm backstage before the the crowd I'm pretty nervous. I tell Brian will man. I don't know what storing the telling you know Brian was like frantic use here again. He's looking for something as wet. Hello. A storm and tell you what did he talk about story? No, you don't stand up dumbass. I was like oh and then just clit. I'm like, oh, so storytelling you just told me that because you don't want to scare me as crap. You're doing stand-up dude.
I was like, oh, that's what I'm doing. So shortly after that, I came the realization. Like this is Stand-Up user. This is just your way of doing it. So then we do a live fighting to get The Comedy Store, you know, the world-famous comedy store which as a kid was, like, you know, the map gets like Madison Square Garden for basketball. So I we do The Comedy Store, goes great and then six weeks or six days later, I'm driving. I get a call from the meds with Comedy Store and when she calls me and she goes, hey, Brad, this is Emily at The Comedy Store, you're early.
You don't use great show the other day. I'm like, thank you, she goes. Hey, we're seeing if you'd like to do a set in the belly room. Give you six minutes. I'll let me call Bryan Callen. See if he's available, she was no dumbass just you, you had a great set, the other night. Like me, you want me to do? Stand up, and come you store. She goes. Yeah, it seems smaller in the belly room, but if you want six minutes to George sounds like, say less. So, I did that. And it was just, you know, I was in 2014-2015 ish, like early 2015 by right?
Around and you have 14 and then just, you know, you get that bug and then it's Off to the Races man. You know, I knew was, you know, takes a takes a lot of work, but back to the point of, you know, getting top possibly deep and you I'm doing.
Stand up for about two years. I think I'm the fastest comic to ever get a network special at showtime. And, you know, I just in my eyes, I thought at the time had a special, don't get me wrong, I challenge any comedies, with a two year, two years to do a network special and have 60 Minutes, you know, now is it as good as Bill Burr special? No. But in my head, I thought people would see that and go, oh my God, for only do it two years like this guy? See how much
Batteries and getting four years in five years in ten years and fit we're going Beyond 15 years, but a lot of people don't have that Insight. They don't give a shit about that that they don't see it like that. And you know and again that you know, this is a while ago. So I was young and I always, it might be, it could be an asset or it could be a huge gaping hole that I have Cloud. See the best in people and Society like I don't pay attention to. Hey, everything's all good. You know I just I, you know, I gravitate towards positivity so I was like, no for the most part.
I'm like, oh, this guy's no two years, this is good for him. No man. When you do that, what happens is it actually pushes you further away from them? I thought we'd bring me closer to being legit and be like my peers. No pushes you farther away, cuz a lot of those guys that I mentioned earlier on and even outside of those guys. Lot of famous comedians, it took them 15, 20 years, your network special. So there's a lot of
The assignment jealousy is just like you know it just rubs people the wrong way and I didn't see that coming. I gotta be honest and I don't think really anybody did you know? But it is what it is. You know you do that and you move on and you just keep grinding and you go to the next one. The next one. So yeah, it's been interesting that it's been really interesting. I learn on the Fly also learn the hardest way. That's the only way I make changes. I learned the hard way, so I wouldn't change anything. You know, things we pretty good
are you?
The CEO of the network now, I mean, yes. So you're having to be the talent and you're running the business.
Yeah, heavy lies the crown and so I grew up in a business-minded family. My dad's all entrepreneur, you know, he's always been business. Minded, I have a double major from University Colorado, and sociology and business. So I was gravitating towards business.
And, you know, I worked for showtime for six years. I built the entire, you know, podcast branch, which is crushing it now and shout out to Brian Daly. And you know, at the end of six years for this is December last year, 2022, six months. Prior the off me another six year contract and I just looking around and shoot that was great to me, you know, I was getting a salary and you know, they're reaping the benefits and it's good for both sides. I stop. Now I feel like I could do this on my own, you know, I am an entrepreneur, I feel like I could I see what they've been.
Bill. And, you know, I've helped him out a lot. They felt me out a lot. I feel like it can invest in myself and do some I own. So, I turned down. The contract was like, I'm a do it on my own start, think boy Studios. Then I owned all the IPS to the all the shows I started with him, so I brought that over and it's just, you know, it in hindsight, I didn't just, you know, I don't really know who to talk to nobody in my Lane kind of has done this where you leave a major Network in podcasting and bring it over on your own. And it's a
An animal when you're not only talent but you also running. Did you? There is the right money for that? Or did you just sell fund? It would you do? Yeah. Self-funded it from all the other shows and stand up. I just put all my money into that and then whenever I start a new thing I'm like people like oh congrats and I'm like yeah asked me to hear like we'll find out what's going to be fun to find out. Like this is either a bad idea. It's an all right idea or it's an amazing idea will find out because you know, I go into things
Relatively blind. Like I don't do a ton of research before I go into things, but I Got Confidence I'll figure things out eventually but the reality is that some ideas are better than others. So a year in now owning your own podcast network. Is this a bad idea, good? Okay, good idea. Or is it an amazing is an amazing business. I think it's still too early to tell medium where year in financially and by making more money. Yes. But you know that can't just be the main focus, you know?
Does my life more complicated? You know my life's more complicated. I have less free time. So what's that worth? You know. So there's like these pros and cons, I didn't think about because that show time, I was a talent I would create shows, they would make it happen, you know? And they would have two employees in the creative team and the producers and the editors and I was, I would come up with ideas. They would execute it. I'd sit down knock it out. Great, get paid for that, and move on. And just, not worry about, you know, the next day or the next week.
now, it's a little different now, you know, I would say one of my biggest kind of falters
Not like I'm a control freak so I need help and I'm getting there but and I just you know, you want somebody to care as much about your business as you do. It's impossible to find and you know, with Showtime their CBS. So they're doing all the right stuff as far as hiring and, you know, in bringing the right people and I didn't take that into consideration like hiring, you know, hardest up, find good employees and people that actually care and can get the job done. They mold with the team and jelly.
Team. So it's just those kind of Dynamics. I didn't think about when also when you at Showtime. You know for six years and we started with zero subscribers then six years later at like 600,000 you know the well-known in the space r up for awards you're starting from steer dead zero again shut until that's six years. That you built for them that doesn't come with you. I don't own that Showtime page us there. So you just start from zero again. I think we're like 160 170 thousand now a year in which isn't bad but
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what about a listener like Sean? And I, the metrics that we know is downloads, which is we describe downloads as, like, Spotify, YouTube and also iTunes, and all that shit. How do you
What's the size of your biggest show? I think is firing the kid. What size are you guys at now? For that?
We do. We look at it per episode because otherwise you can get a lot of downloads. If you just pump out more and more episodes like perhaps that is the real real deal for. I think for these shows, well see. So finally kid and the golden hour which is formerly known as king of Sting with Yvonne. So, finally, Kenny king of Sting, even though they're on the think. Boy Network. Those haven't changed, there's under my banner but those have those weren't part of showtime at all. Showtime was
Below the belt, which is now the shop, show food, truck Diaries and some other shows and then I wasn't doing fight can pay with them. That's all new. So you know, I would say probably cut my audience in half you know, right half
but and what but what's the fighter in the kid at
Finally kid that me now we're going down, you know you're going down a different road because there's factors there that have you know cause that showed like you know you want to do it for 12 years. The it's like this you know it's like this so you know we've been as high as 600,000 apps sewed as low as 100,000 episode. So that that and it's you know there's been some outlying factors you know, that cause those issues. So
Each and that with the changing of king of Sting with feel leaving, you're talking about a whole new show. So you start from, basically from scratch again, to start with Chris D'Elia and it a griffon, it's completely different. Show the Dynamics completely different. So, you re inducing that show too kind of rust, although it there was an audience there. I think about 500,000 subscribers, those 500,000 subscribers were there for Theo, bottom bread and job. So when you go, all right. Well, here's Brandon and Crystal and Eric some people will know we'd like to damn work with Co and Brendan. So,
That's fairly new, you know, that's about six months old. So, you know, that one's probably around 150, 200 thousand just on YouTube, but I think a lot of people in podcasting, because it's the thing in 2023. Is they look at YouTube, YouTube, YouTube YouTube audio ski boat, for the most part people listen to podcasts on the way to work, or when they're at the office. Nobody sitting down watching a podcast for two hours or three hours really. However, laundry podcast is the audio is key.
So my main metric that I focus on is always audio. Now audio starts to go down. We got problems.
Yeah. We're at like when we all will have guests on every once in a while and they'll be like are you guys big? And and they'll just look at the YouTube and like our YouTube only gets like 30,000 20,000 all the way up to 200,000 per episode. But then our audio it's like consistently hundred two hundred thousand dish or something, like that, like consistently every single time crunch and that and that's crushing it. And I'm like, no, it's pretty big. It's
Like you can't see those numbers but our our audio. I mean it's like that's like as true to subscription as you can get because it's just consistently a big deal
saying. Yeah, adios King build this new generation of podcasters coming in, you know, see the Logan, Paul's that Andrew showed to the world and you know, broken this massive on YouTube but it's again and I don't know what Logan Paul's numbers are as far as audio. Logan puzzle buddy. I guess I could find out but because he's a YouTuber, just
His numbers are massive on YouTube. I'd be curious to see what his adios like, because again, audio is King and podcasting. So I never focused on YouTube too much. Now if there's a decline your I got we got to figure this out and we'll work to it but it's my audio solid. I don't you know, I'm not there's no red flags,
what's your ambition level in terms of this business like are you are you? Are you thinking like I think we can get to 10 million revenue? Or is it like I want to exit 400 million? I think we can get 250 million in Revenue. Where do you work? Where's like your
Not quite North Star but like your two three five year goal.
Yeah, that's it. That's a great question. Rob. Dyrdek's a good buddy and she's such AI. Do you got robbed? There would be great for you guys.
We've had, we've had them on and he killed it. We we were. I think we were a little bit early in his like public business Persona and we had them and he blew us away. He was
amazing. I'm no Rob for years. I always knew he was just like so volatile, it comes a business, he makes so many great decisions and he came into the thick voice.
Studios here in Calabasas. And I was probably, I don't know, he's two or three months into it, you know, so you still trying to figure it out and he's looking around. He's like, man, this is cool and he's asking all these questions. They kept going, you know what's your goal? What's your goal? What's your goal? And finally, I think he was even on air might do you gotta chill dude, I think I'm let me get to cruising altitude and get to Wi-Fi before I start figure out goals, I got this thing's just taken off. Once I get to cruising altitude, I'll let you know, the goal so weird.
I was getting the cruising altitude. I know, I don't know what their goal is. I think once I get to the network where I think it could be at that, I would start looking at other options, but the other thing I would say too when, as far as business, whether it's whiskey Birds, whatever it is, even stand up podcasting. I've never done anything for money ever. I do it because I love to do it and it's fun for me and it's what I want to do and if it makes money, fantastic man. That's
Great. But if it does it all good at something, I want to do. So hopefully this thing goes great makes a ton of money and I can retire. Who is a retired? Do less shows but with just more money in the bank but I love doing it. That's why I started it so well. So hopefully, you know, when we do the show and, you know, three years or five years, I'm talking you guys and we're celebrating some big moment, but I couldn't tell you what that looks like and that might be a problem. I mean, you guys are the business guys, is that a problem that I don't have sort some sort of
In goal here, you know, me. So I don't think you got to have an like what people want, Like A Five-Year Plan and your kind of taught this at a young age like it, you're 18 years old. What you going to major in as ha dude? I don't know I don't know shit about shit yet so people are often pushing for that, it's great when you have it. So I always say that if you know the direction you want to go, you know the outcome, it's great when you have it but the reality is most people don't have it right off the Jump and that's totally normal. You just got to get in motion, get momentum because as you start going, you'll
Start navigating us, you'll get a better vantage point. It's like you start climbing the mountain. You're higher up. You can see more and that'll be that little more but I do what I do think helps is a vision for your life. So our vision for like what kind of what do you want to do with your life, your talents, or like? So, for example, I might not know. I'm trying to hit this Revenue Target. I'm trying to sell in X years or whatever, but I do usually no been a be fucking awesome. If do, what if my job was, I literally get to sit down with my friend Sam and we just shoot the shit about business and what if there were millions of people listening to that,
Wouldn't that be cool? Yeah, all right. That's literally, when I started this podcast, it was I was walking around with a friend. We had just signed the paperwork to sell my first company. And he was like, what do you want to do next? And in Silicon Valley where I live, there's only one answer. I'ma start another company. It's gonna be bigger and badder than the one. Before that there's only one socially acceptable answer in Silicon Valley, second Hollywood, if you're not trying to make it, what are you doing here? And so but I gave him the honest answer, I go. You know what? I think what Tim Ferriss does is awesome, it seems like that.
Dude, gets to wake up. Just be curious about shit, run experiments, learn about things and then he just takes the coolest stuff. He learns, he taught it is just gets to talk about it and a million people have them in their ears and he gets to influence a million smart people by sharing Little Nugget. I got that would be awesome. I want to be in a million people's ear balls and that's what I kept saying. I want to be a million people's ear balls and he was like, dude, I never heard that word. But like he goes, That's a like a, it's like a vision for like, what would be an awesome life. So I think that sometimes you do have to
The number, but it is cool to have a man. That'd be awesome if my life was X or if I was able to do that do X.
I remember I remember talking to you guys know, Justin con just in case. So Sean actually sold his company to Twitch, Justin cons, one of the guys who started to itch. You know they sold it for a billion dollars. I was talking to him backstage one time like two years or three years after the sale, we're at an event. I was hosting and he was like I was like what you do next Justin and he goes 10 billion. I want to go after ten billion and
It didn't work, it didn't work out for him. By the way, didn't work out in like, he, I remember I read like this blog post, where he was like, I was motivated to, like, out and do what I did before partially out of like it was like, it was like rage like out of rage and out of like a chip on my shoulder, which is actually, I think great fuel but like I was in it for the wrong motivations and it didn't work out. But yeah, something Sean has said that. I said it differently but he said it better, which was a b z which is like I like to do this all the time. I'm like all right step one is a step two is
I don't need to worry about anything else in between that but step Z is like the one day maybe maybe one day this becomes a billion dollar company but let's just focus on getting to a million in revenue or let's just focus on like paying the rent and then after that maybe we can hire handful of people and then I'll figure out the rest but maybe one day it could become this and that's like a fun way to like that's like a fun North Star to like help some decision-making. It's also very motivational, you're like I'm doing this for this reason. Yeah, so many
people it's awful.
As pressure where, you know, I and you know what, I think happened, that entrepreneur spirit that I was born with from my dad, but you guys it seems like, yes, it's safe to do you have to been the success? You breached, you know, I never stop and smell, the roses ever. It's always. What's next? What are we gonna do next? And What Makes Us successful in this next thing? The next thing in my sports career and even in comedy I never just stopped and you know, smell the roses, I'm constantly constantly pushing
Actually pushing, you know, I don't know if that leads to happier life, you know. I think sometimes you need to check and go if you're doing, it's all good man. If nothing changes your life's pretty. Freaking great met if you just stayed here. It's all good but I just I wish I was more like that. You know I
I don't know what else I could get that would make me happy I guess if you know if I'd have to fly commercial my life would change. That'd be great. You know. But outside that like things are gonna
fly private. You mean
yeah. But yeah, but I didn't have to fly commercial. I hate flying but will you? Hey, I
see you got the nice 911s. You got the cool Ferraris? I mean, you got the toys. Yeah, right? Yeah. Nice next step.
Yep. You were told 10 year-old Brandon, you know, some of the stuff. You'd be doing some stuff. You'd have you back? Holy man. This is it saying, dude? Get free, you made it but I don't feel like
Like those are those on the Pod? We say a lot of people ask like what advice would you give your 21 year old self for your 15 year old self? And we ask the opposite. Question is like what would our 15 year old self say to us? Now if it could look at our life now be like, dude, you're unhappy. Look at your shit. That like, are you joking? You got to Billy heard you. Get to do this and they liked, you better be smiling, bro. Like that's what I that's what my teenage self would be telling me right now, and that's almost a good reminder. It's like, like, I always say, dogs and kids got it figured out.
And I want to be more like my want to learn more and be more like my dog and my kids. God did all day as play. Everything is good. They're happy. They're grateful. Like we get, we get things screwed up when we get older and do you guys have kids? I got two little ones. Yeah, I love a 73 year old in. I don't think I've ever been this happy in my life. As my two boys were yesterday at bottom 2 upon 3 lizards, I was like, man if I could just that level happiness or time bearded Lister one time, my
Life is complete. Yeah kids give you a different perspective on things bad. You know I might be stressed about work or so might come home and that stuff goes out the window. You know there's nothing better than being a dad Tony Robbins. If you don't know if you've been to one of his events or looked until surface stuff like most people think oh Tony Robbins I don't need motivation or that's like a cult thing or whatever. I've been to a bunch of them and I find it really, really useful as good. I do, I'm not very religious so it's a good operating Philosophy for life, but one of the things he says is he's like
You got on one hand, the the the sort of the science of success. And that's got, I think what you've kind of done done. Well, which is whether I'm going into football, or fighting or comedy podcasting, or now, the business side, there's the science of success is basically like there's an approach to set the, you know, figuring out a Target working hard every day, making progress, like taking it seriously, all that stuff and then there's the art of fulfillment and they're unrelated and if you want to have like the full
The complete life, you got to figure out. Oh, just like I learned the skills of how to be successful. I got to learn the skills of how to be fulfilled and the bread magic happens when you sort of integrate, the two can you both like create new projects and try to be successful while being fulfilled? Because what most people do, is they go for that success thing mostly from a point of view of, like, you know, try to prove themselves or it's like a, yeah, some some insecurities, a lot of times out that will drive it. Now, I love that. Yeah, I think
You have for me, I do a pretty good job. Me trying to stop and smell the roses a little bit. So I'm doing a better job. My kids help me get there and then I think a lot of mistakes that people make whether it's business entertainment, you know, stand-up comedians is especially with social media. Now that's why I'm not a big social media guy is you can always compare yourself somebody doing better. So for your friend that made a billion. Next thing was 10 billion because he saw a guy make 10 billion. So if you're constantly chasing that comparing yourself to others, that's where the happiness.
Never come. So I try not to compare myself to the other specially me because my journey so different than those guys that I look up to. So, you know, my Journeys can be different man, whatever that looks like. And I just have to accept that which I try to do. I was reading some of the issue that reminded me of you Brendan which was Arena blog posts and put out this great tweet asking for what's the best blog post you ever read. And one of them was this thing called the coup, was it the physics of passion. He basically goes, there's this thing called the Kool-Aid point, he draws this graph,
He's like as as you do shit and people start to like your work, and/or rettenmaier, you or love you, or become a fan of you. You'll get kind of grow steady, steady steady. And then, there's this point, he calls it the Kool-Aid point where it kind of takes off. It goes, then you're going to have two groups of people, you're going to have a bunch of people that love you and a few people that hate you and he goes what happens is because here's how you'll know you're there. People accuse your fans of just drinking the Kool-Aid. They love everything you do but sight unseen and their the Kool-Aid drinkers that's how you know if you have a love that can be
Was that you've had the Kool-Aid Point? Yeah I love that. It's on the other side. You're going to have people who want to tear you down and the haters you know quote unquote and and and you know at first they're always a small group but they're kind of loud and some people even support them and be like, oh, you're speaking truth to power your your call it like it is your kind of exposing this person or this brand or whatever it is. Yeah. And you got both and it's I was reading that and I knew we had this pod today and I was like, dude, he's live. He's lived that point.
Cuz yes sir, you know you have for people who don't know, you got a big fan base, you got a big anti fan base and the anti fan base. I think it's on and on Reddit, I go to this subreddit a bunch but I'm not like like I like it's weird. I like you but I also find it funny. Like
there's to do. Clever people, in Canada know
funny but they're also funny in the same way like it's kind of this double thing. I'm curious like for you. Obviously that's like you know it's probably funny for me because I'm outside of it. I'm not the person that
What are the joke in some of these cases? But, you know, me and Sam got, maybe one one-hundredth of the, like, kind of the, the passion and hate that you have, because you've been doing this a long time. You've made it a big, but when I read our YouTube comments and I see something like that, it's things in the moment but also, there's a lot of times I'm like, they're not wrong. Like, you know, there is there is some truth to where there are there being a dick about it but there's some truth to what they're saying. I could see that I'm curious about you when you
Did you hear about the, the sort of the stuff on the subreddit or use check it out, or whatever? Do you have any moments where you're like, all right, they're kind of being mean about it, or they're being a dick about it but there's some truth to what they're saying.
I mean, yeah, I'm sure, you know, I don't in all honesty, I don't pay attention to it. I think it's a, it's a bad thing with you pay attention to the negativity or the positivity. The I think you just got to keep doing your thing. You know, my heroes growing up, didn't live this world, you know, so it can't be healthy. I think we'll find over years how it affects the brain, and how it affects creatives. And businessmen would who do pay attention last stuff and read the comments and stuff like that. So I don't want to be that sample size. I'm not going to be hurt.
Get that digital CTE of those comments every day. Yeah, we have enough c-team about 25. My Porsche off the PCH, but I think with the reading group, yeah, it's interesting because, you know, the watch everything you do and there's some things that I'm on board with and then the only there's a small select group on there who are just evil. So, there's difference between hate, which I get to, I give you a lot to hate on. I do a lot of content.
Can't I make a lot of jokes? I send a lot of people. I get that, you don't get to a certain level without giving a lot of haters. You just don't if you look at Logan Paul Drake Lebron James name, some the massive celebrities that we have in this world there and you go online. You read their comments or My Buddy Joe Rogan? Nobody no, I don't know. Anybody gets more hate than that guy. He gets more love, you know, I'm in the business of likability. So if you watch my podcast, you buy a ticket to my stand-up. You by the murdered, she by the whiskey,
You're a fan. I make a living off like ability so I just don't I don't give the heat energy as far as the red. It goes. I get it and some of them are really funny and I appreciate those guys whether it's good or bad towards me. He gets a little dicey when they want to. I just, I don't understand when they cry when they crossed the line, when it gets into my personal life, right? It's like, I'm not Tom Cruise, do by the fucking, give us the, who cares about that stuff. You know, and thank God my wife. She's been with me since
Since I was in the UFC so when you're fighting you see, get a lot of love, you get a lot of hate, there's no in-between if you're doing it right. So she's condition to that, she doesn't pay attention. She doesn't care, you know, at this point. So thank God for that. But the only time I don't like is when they make it super personal. It's about the kids it's about you know, certain things. But you know, nobody's harder on on on me than myself. You know, there's nothing they can say that. I don't tell myself you see on a daily basis, or trust me, it's way worse, whatever they're putting out. So
Although I, you know, I get it, I appreciate it. And, you know, I just don't give it energy. I think one of the things that I have going for me is, you know, I post in ghosts, I don't pay attention that stuff. But then I'm also, you know, I'm on the road, whatever it is. 30 weekends a year at. Yo, if I, you, don't this interview, I Glee it coffee. I can't go down the street without somebody 10, very brand-new. Love you, man. So, that's real. That's what I care about social media. It's a faster for sure, but
But it's not the end all be all I think when people realize that that one in if you're walking down the street one in 10 people on social media, especially on Twitter that you can't give yourself Val yourself worth of what social media is, you're going to live a much happier life, so that ready group they're going to do their thing. You know, and that comes with the territory and I was built for, that's why God gave me big shoulders but you know, I are gonna cook that are gonna love that one.
I think I was built for it and then also, you look, you know, if you look at me, I know, you know, I probably look like the guy that board you in high school. They know the you some of that, you know, like go Brendan's a bully or whatever and I know I look like the guy but if they actually knew we know these people know me, they've never met me. You know, they're not buying tickets to his show so I don't give it energy because if I did I wouldn't have a business. I won't have this house that I'm talking you guys in right now. So you know, I think it get the lines get blurred where it's like oh he's
A big strong guy who's fighting your feet, he can handle this week, There's No Limits, everything's on off-limits. He, there's nothing off limits. We can go as hard as you want with, like it actually hurts my feelings, man. It's actually not cool, you know? But I joked. I'm all for. I'm all for man. Professional comic, we roast each other. We do our thing. So, if it's funny, it's witty fire away. But you start going towards the which once you start going towards the personal side. Well then you've crossed the boundary, you know? And now also if you want to
Competition person. You want to offend me? We can do that. I can do that. We can just see how it goes for you. That's never happened, as long as I've been in entertainment. I've never run into anybody that said something to my face. So I just I get what they're doing. If it's funny, it's witty and they're gonna do the thing. I actually appreciate it. But when you cross the boundary and you did he disrespect me a different way? You know that that's where I have an issue with it. What's the issue with it? Means it hurts my feelings. I'm not gonna do nothing damn bike in a beat. I'm not the
A bull, you expect me to be then. Also I think that that subreddit has crossed the point, not all of them. Some actually just funny and their fans and they just show it in different way. And I understand that at my age but you know, a lot of them have crossed that boundary where you know, they hide behind the keyboard and they want to do evil things which I just, I don't understand. That's to me, it's like, and for what, for what because I do stand-up, you don't have to buy a ticket because I do free parking.
Just that triggers you, right? We don't have to watch, you know. So I just I'm just cut from a Different Cloth. I just don't have their person. Now, there's some podcasters that will lean into it and if there's beef between Comics, the lean into that, and they like that that controversy in that drama all the time, like it's real housewives of LA and I would probably much more famous so much further along my career. If I entertain that, I just can't do it sometimes. I think, man, I should try that. It's just not
What I do. I don't like being negative or positive person, I enjoy helping people out. So you know just heavy lies the crown with that stuff man.
You were you're saying how when you
move up and ran? I apologize.
No, it's good. Where there are a whole, you know, someone's got a clip that Som heter will clip that hopefully, but somehow hopefully that hate pushes us forward somehow. But you were talking about moving to LA and how that was like a big change. You basically like Shawn and I both lived in San Francisco. When we started internet companies and like, having a crew.
We are in each other's crew. We had a handful of others where you like succeed together, that's like the greatest thing ever because it's not like it's a it's fun and be it's actually useful. Like you could you piggyback off each other and you, and you motivate one another and you actually like, you invest in each other, whatever. It's like practical. You're in this school world, it's like you Bobby Lee, Theo Von Chris D'Elia, Andrew Santino. Andrew Schultz is a little bit outside of that, but someone inside of that Joe Rogan yet, you got this like crew and like, it doesn't like 10 years ago.
You know, there was Rogan, but there weren't really like a lot of like, comedy YouTube channels, like, or podcast, but right now, like, if I go on my YouTube app, like it's basically, like a Theo Von or Brendan Schaub clip, like constantly or like the clip of Bobby lead, Thomas story about the
Down Syndrome, big viral clip in comedy podcast history that we've hilarious. Yes. So
funny where he talks about getting molested by a Down syndrome, guys. It's one of the funniest. I mean, it's still like I can't go on without
Seeing like a funniest bits from whatever like it's like someone in your crew. What's that like behind the scenes? Like, are you guys? Is this like a like Sean? And I sometimes when we want to get like popular and X y&z we're like hey can you like this? Can you share this? Yeah or hey you want to come on my thing? You come like it's like it's it's somewhat organized somewhat or just sharing languages.
Ensuring be like, yo, I'm doing this. And it's working. Like, yes, you know what's that? Like, you know
what? Yeah, like a group text when you're like, hey Theo, like I've found.
And that like this type of like because you guys and then, by the way, I know if we told you this, if you go and look at when we first started, MFM my first million. We just bought the same fucking red sofa lounge, chairs that you had
because I love it because I would see those on the,
I would see those in the thumbnail. And I'm like, yeah, all that red pop out. Like, you make, it makes when I click it, and I noticed that you and Theo, particularly you, I bet you probably started it. You have these like pretty eye-catching Studios. They're not like particularly fancy, but they're just like, they're just like an eye-catching and you're changing them constantly.
Bo does the same thing. He's constantly changing the set same but Andrews. Schultz. Are you guys like sharing all these tactics like this? It's working or like here's how much for paying for the blank or like you guys. Let's pump each other around this thing.
Yeah, you know going back to kind of the whole like kind of it was almost like a team you know, and now you know the team captain. All this starts from Joe Rogan so before I hit the
comma here and give a shit about any of that, does he? He just does whatever the fuck he wants in it sometimes
it works. He does whatever.
He wants and he's the leader of the pack but he's also the reason why we Embrace each other and you know five six years ago seven years ago at the comedy store is the comedy wrap packed and we were the, we were the Rat Pack and we were the guys and every show sold out our names on the Marquee and rogin. There was a there was kind of, you know, their structure, like we don't tear each other down. We support each other and I heard, Isaiah Thomas say this when he went on,
My boys podcast, all the slope with Matt Barnes and Isiah Thomas. Edison it really resonated with me he was on there, he's talked about Michael Jordan and he goes clearly, I'm not a black man on if you guys know this or not, but I'm not black but it's actually not that clear. By the way you could be, you could be flying of dude, you told me you had a little India, it wouldn't be surprised. It's not that clear actually earlier when you said Denver or
Buffalo Bills didn't want
slow white guys.
I was like yeah, so you're in. Yes. So you made the team, right? Yeah. Wait, don't tell me you're not in Hernandez. No, but so was Psycho. So we're these commie Rat Pack, but are you saying Isaiah Thomas said something. Yeah, I did. Thomas. Yeah. So Isaiah Thomas said this in and I saw a clip that Matt Barnes post and I love those guys. I started with them at showtime and they're crushing it, but Isaiah Thomas, they brought up Michael, Jordan and Isiah Thomas has issues with Michael Jordan's and now
Barnes your we'd love to have them on and Isaiah's like that's a tough one. He does do interviews, then Isaiah said as alumni from the NBA as alumni and you guys are alumni. Were this tight fraternity and not only were the type fraternity that we've reached certain levels of the MBA in this in Yo, Miss Lane that were in but also black men and it is our duty to support each other. It is our duty to come on the shows and make sure you guys get views. Make sure people get your name out there that that is something.
That as we, it's our responsibility being in this small group in the small club and back in probably seven years ago. You know, Rogan. It was the same thing. It is your foot. It is your duty to come on. Other shows to broaden the audience to bring everybody into these. Great talents. You know, whether it's, you know, back in the day, find the kid outside. Joe Rogan, find kid was the launching PAD as he goes through it. You look at Tim DeLand lit and Schultz Santino seal Von Crystal.
You look at all the people that came on there and just exploded. Now, is it? Because it's the final kid audience? Maybe help. The little, because those guys are so goddamn talented, and once people saw who they were, they out, succeeded find the kid they've got on, they've blown the roof off things now. But if you look back on, finding the kid, and I take so much pride and joy in that where we have these guys on before their massive and as Isaiah Thomas says it is our duty to do that. So
That resonated with me. Now, this is 78 years ago. Even 10 years ago in five kids, first started out. We have all these comments on stuff like that, and then the pandemic, it's the pandemic kids and the leader of the Rat Pack leaves. Joe Rogan leaves and the comic store shuts down. Carbonylate shuts down, then comes the girl leaves. Then Joey Diaz leaves the Tim Dylan, leaves the deal Von leaves and then Brian goes through some
Bullshit me to movement and he has to leave and crystalline ago, some through some bullshit. Me to moving, crisply has to leave and I'm on this island by myself. Mike. Whoa, where's your buddy? I thought, let's all right. The troops, although we're not in l.a. We got a rally. Let's rally around each other and it broke my heart man. It broke my that. No those days are over, Dude, you gotta figure it out on your own. Those days are over the days of, you know, being in the
In the hallways at The Comedy Store and The Improv and the Icehouse and Laugh Factory weren't, you know, hey podcast tamale, apply, guess what? Those days are gone, everyone's they made it everyone's in their Lane, you gotta figure it out on your own now, and it's weird because you're oddly calming store last night and I was have this. It takes her a while. I sit in the parking lot for a while, cuz it just kind of reminds you when I pull up. Now that I used to pull up and Rogan pull up in his portion. We parked next to each other,
Topshop about the cars and what's next and then Santino pull up and we talked to him and Chris D'Elia and then Brian would pull up and Bobby Lee & Co and we'd be in there and there's the college. It was the best. It was absolute best and I wish five six. Seven years ago, somebody would have tap us on the shoulder like a fellows in two years. This is all God. You, I didn't realize that the moment that that was the Golden Age and what we're doing with so special, we took it for granted and idea.
Realize at the time, how special it was in, in my, in my theater, where my fish tank are you like my man cave? I have four pictures from those days. I just put them up probably you know when they were done five six seven years behind it realized that in that picture in that Frozen moment that was the best time ever for me as far as just being in that symbiotic like team of such a team at. Yeah, there's a special moment you know now we're
It was dull. Well, we still part of our group chats, but as far as like, you know, seeing each other all the time, like those days are over men and it's heartbreaking. Yes. It's important to have one of those like, Pay It Forward cultures because it's like that. I think Silicon Valley has that to which is there's not really that much gatekeeping. You can go to the most successful richest, guide Silicon Valley, he'll give you time doesn't matter who you are and if you need a favor they'll give you a favor with they'll give you their advice or money or an intro.
Oh, and there's no like, pay it back. It's all paid for because they got helped by the person before them and correctly that stayed together. Now, at you, like I said, with the pandemic, a bunch of people moved out of Silicon Valley, so who knows what will happen. Now, it takes a little longer in our world to sort of see those effects, but I remember when I was in San Francisco's living in San Francisco, kind of on the come-up, me and Sam met doing one of these like founder masterminds or we would get dinner for hours and talk like, okay. What are you doing? And how is that going? What am I doing? How's that going? How can we help each other out? And it felt like,
You know, and Toy Story, when, when they go to that arcade and those little, the little minions are in the machine and it's like the claw and the cloth selects one and takes it away and that's like, you know, they made it. They got the fame, the fortune they got picked, but the other minions weren't pulling them down. They were like, pushing them up. Like, you can grab, brother, go for it, you know, like, you know, you made it out and because it's like that in Silicon Valley, you'll know somebody and they're broke for the four years, you know, him and then they're worth 150 million dollars overnight.
And then you're like yellow, the claw picked you and you want the called guy under the cloud, which is Mark Zuckerberg, buying your company happened and like it's same thing entertainment, someone hits a breakout point and now they're famous there. You know, they made it and there's a question of like, does it? Do you just get left in the dust? Do you resent people when they're happening, or do you? You realize that the rising tide lifts all boats and you really want to be in that Rising tide type of? Yeah, in just a side note in San Francisco. Now to pay it forward. Yeah, that's
Yeah, worry about getting stabbed forget, starting to know your friend. Watch that watch your back. Literally, like you got, you gotta actually watch each other's back because I just survived the day. You know, Green afford is carrying a gun, so your buddy and get stabbed in the neck. Yeah, it's
insane. I was gonna have to slightly different question, but you, I saw a few interviews that were cool one. It was Donald cowboy, Cerrone, and then Chael Sonnen, and I think actually, Michael Bisping said the same thing where they were talking about.
Out like in the locker room before they fight and they're like, I think it was chale. He's like, people think that like, we're tough guys and like, ooh, maybe we cut. We kind of are but like every single time before a fight I think my last one should have been my last one. What am I doing? I hate this and then like Michael Bisping who's like a cocky dude and like is very confident. He was like this is the worst thing ever. And I think cowboy Cerrone was like I throw up before every fight I'm so afraid and then you had a really cool thing where you're like
Like, I just beat up Cro Cop. So if you don't listen, if you don't know anything, but you have secret cop is like one of the, the goats of MMA in, he's scary as shit. Like, he's like this Croatian, dude. But like, you think he's like a scary Russian. RoboCop type of guy and you knocked him out. And I remember like you said, you're like, I knocked him out and backstage I went to the said like thank you or something or like you know, like good fight and he like had ice on his head and you're like, what the fuck am I doing? I don't want to like, do this for my life, I don't want to be 40 or 38 or however old he was when you when you beat him up.
But what's that like backstage the 1530 minutes before you're about to go fight to the death in your underwear in front of a million people?
Yeah I think I don't know if I was the I might have been the one of the first fighters ever say that, you know. But a lot of guys, they want to give off the Persona that oh, were these Warriors. It's Like Gladiator. We can't wait to get out there but I'm telling you sir and I won't mention names. I've seen dudes cry backstage, I don't want to go out there, I've seen their coaches slap them. Like, do you have
Have to go out there, it's just II, just don't think it's natural, do you know? I think it should be a level of intelligence of your body and your mind going. Hey, you're about to get hurt, do not go out there so things I need to do the roof and every files. Like what am I doing, man? I was like, toad, disappointing myself. And then once I hit the cage, for most of my career I was okay I knew it was time to get out when I hit the cage in my dude, don't get hurt, get out of here yet so much more to do in this life. You cannot, you know?
Up for a concussion, we have got to figure this out. So you know, I think there's truth and honesty for most Fighters where it's like it's terrifying. If to me, it was the worst gig in the world. There's some the highs with the highest in the world, the Peaks are the best. The Valleys of the lowest there can be in professional sports or maybe in life. It's a tough gig man. You know, so I think the more Fighters talk about like, Hey we're human man and in and it is scary going out there and I think the more fires talk about the more people can relate to it too much.
People have you ever man if tonight your today after this the podcast, you know, the coffee shop and you're getting your coffee and some guy goes, you have some altercation. We got goes, hey man, tomorrow at 1 p.m. you and I are fighting. You gotta go I guess we gotta fight. Imagine the anxiety can have that night that morning walk in that coffee shop and that's fighting Billy you know from in San Francisco who's getting you know, fight you over coffee and he probably don't have skills no heightened that times a thousand
That way, you know exactly when you're gonna fisticuff, the guy happens to be, I don't know top ten, the world at beating people up in your underwear. Everybody's gonna see it. You know I'm saying? It's human nature to be like this is not
healthy. Dude, we've been with this to this podcast and stuff friends. It's been cool to like see some of our friends become worth hundreds of millions or even billions dollars and it's cool because we'll talk to them like just hanging out and they'll be like, I have to fire this person and I'm so afraid to do it like, I, that I haven't done it in like eight months.
Months, like, I'm afraid of Confrontation. And what that does is it like normalizes fear and you're like, oh, therefore, I can do it. And I remember like thinking about like Habib and like, do this guy is like Terminator. Like he doesn't show that much fear and then I saw some of these other tough guys like say like oh no like it's miserable. I've always wanted like a Connor or a Habib like some of the the most outspoken confident guys. I'd like I want to hear them say like I'm about to piss my pants because whenever I hear that I'm like, that's fucking cold. I could do anything.
This kind of rate if this guy's afraid, which I know they are, even if they don't say it, I know they are. I think there are levels to like it does seem like there are some guys like a Habib or something like that, where they're like, they're more stoic than others, but there is like there's always self-doubt and I think it's really cool when I see some of these killers like actually say that it gives me like it, oddly gives me hope.
Yeah, I think it makes him human, you know. I think it would do athletes just so much more in the public eye. If, you know, if before the Super Bowl or even have two super out on baby.
Like, I'm scared shitless, man, that defense was good. Now, I'm terrified to get hit and throw interceptions and fail. I just think more people would relate to it. Because
Wherever, Whenever any athletes that, you know, of or hung out with MMA, guys are boxers where they were built different, where the like this person's looking forward to a fight or do you think unilaterally it was?
No, there's there's people where, you know, ignorance is bliss, right? You know? It's like they're there, guys. I trained with and I'd be able to
Tapping the fight, you know, and the Camp's Taylor and down. I'd like a man, the fights in two weeks when I started H, the guys are gonna know excited, right? My know, do this is Terrible's but day. It's just, there's certain guys. Were they live for it? You know, there's guys like the, the Diaz brothers even though they said that they hate fighting, I think there's some guy like a Cain Velasquez. There's certain guys that just thrive in that adjusting GE GE who they just, they just love the violence. They just business nothing. They were just born Warrior.
You're so, you know, they're not think about businesses or, you know, ten years down the road or 15 years down the road. It's just they were meant to do this and God bless them. You need people like that. God bless them.
Even if you're not in the UFC, if you're listening this, go and look up, just in case she post-fight Michael Chandler on YouTube. He said this amazing thing he goes, I was born in the wrong era. I should have been a gladiator. So I could kill this person in front of all of you, because that's what I'm built to do. And that's what I love, I'm here to fight to the death
And I heard that and I'm like, there's there's two different types of humans. I'm one and he's
the other. Yeah, it's crazy. True and I think, you know, I think for me came to realization because I've known Justin gaethje since he was in college, I used to go up to, you know, a soon Northern Colorado and wrestle to get ready for my UFC fight. So I saw just a young age, he's always been like that. And again when I'd be in the locker rooms or we'd be in the training camps and those guys would talk like that, you know, don't get me wrong, I'm built like a
Warrior like that. You'd look at me. I think that's one of the reasons I get paid from these guys and think it's okay to eat me the way that I did. They do because you know I look like a gladiator on this big dude with tattoos and cauliflower ears but really push come to shove. I'm the guy behind going to be in the front fucking lines man. That's not what I want to do, you know. So so I did the treatment of these Warriors but really I'm the guy in the back.
Playing the trombone holding the flag know, making sure I look good.
One of our Sean. And I talked about this after Rose namajunas, this UFC fighter, she like, before the fight, you see, Ur saying I'm the best, I'm the best, I'm the best. And it doesn't matter if you like you have C or not, it makes you cry because you're just like, there's so much like, you have to talk yourself up to this and it's just so, like, motivational inspiring cute. I don't know what you want to call it, but it's awesome. It's like one of my favorite moments of seeing her say that and then afterwards joke
Goes, I saw you saying, you're the best. What's up with that? And she goes, because I am the
best, and you'll actually convincing herself that she's the best light so good. But self-doubt, and he's just like, no, you're the best. And because, and I'm assuming she worked with a mental coach, which I did too. When I was fighting you work, with these high level, mental coach, they tell you that you fight the negative thought in your head, with a positive, you say it out loud. So I still sort of freaking trying to keep the demons at the door. Good, I'm the best. I'm the best. You know, I love about this.
Cells is usually when people bring up fighting for me, it's a nightmare. It had a nightmare like you especially if I'm doing a show outside like whether it's a comedy central, if it's a TV show like cockfighting, usually they have no clue about UFC like even you brought up Rose, you brought up, just engage e and the Michael Chandler stuff. Like thank God. You guys have an insight into the UFC, like current UFC world, all three some shows in like so what's your take on chocolate down for
Rent a cabin. I think that's still gonna have to
do. They have Alzheimers fan? They're not anymore.
I was Conrad McGregor doing now. Ma'am.
We're super fans. That's why, that's why it's cool to hang out with you. We've had, we've talked I've talked to Michael Bisping, Ben askren. We've had Ariel helwani on your voice. I know you guys had a, you guys had a spat. We've had, who else a bunch of people in that world. It's always fun to talk to you guys because like even though like the intensity level that you're doing, it's like literally
Life and death. Starting a business is like a percentage of that but it's like I can't do this. I'm freaking out. I don't know how to do this. Like you constantly feel like inferior. There's
similarities with all of it with all. But whether your UFC fighter, your entrepreneur, there's similarities, where you bake on yourself. It's on you and the Peaks and valleys are insane either way. So there's takeaways from both sides, you know, there's they definitely overlap, you know, you mentioned are Hawaii, right? And I there's that and I think it's a fan thing. You know, I've had spats with over the years
years, it's gonna happen. I don't really entertain it, but I have no animosity towards Ariel, you know, I'll do interviews, whether whatever it is under. Oh, so you and data don't like each other. Now I've no, am I, I don't dislike anybody, you know. I think that might be one of the reasons to why the haters they can't stand it because they want that. They want that drama. They want some to feed off of they call it feeding the trolls. I just don't entertain that. I think that is you know, upsets them. It's just not what I do. So
So when are and I were having our thing man, I made a mistake. I was on the fight campaign. I said some things. I shouldn't have said he was rightfully, so to get upset. So he what I show and did his thing all good, man. That's how it goes. You know, I take accountability there, that's on me, but here is the best journalists we have. I listened to his show, you know, I have no issues with Ariel with Dana man. If anything, I probably should be given data 10% because when he made that deal with Reebok out it, you know,
At the time I was a young man at the time I took it personal, I thought it was a hit of against me and it put a chip. I'm a twice a chip. I did entire Pringles and were
stolen and what you're talking about is before you could put any logo you want, then he made a deal with Reebok and it's just they are the guys.
Yeah. I lost some you know, probably a hundred thousand dollars of fight and you know, and I took it personal but being a business owner. Now, Dana was at mate, when the Reebok deal came with, man, how's this going to affect Brendan Schaub now dude? I'm
One of the, you know, I'm one of the elephants in the circus, you got to do what's great for all the elephants. Not just me. So I was, you know, a by Standard & Casualty of that deal just didn't work out in my favor but that pushed me faster into what I was supposed to be doing. So they may actually help me out. I have zero, shoot, Dana, huge fan, huge fan, but I think fans some people for a reason, they can't get over that like well, no, he screwed you over and look, and you have to retire and he did this. I'm like, no, he did me a favor guys. That was
12 years ago, it's all good. He's doing great, he's much more money than God, I'm doing pretty good at zero. If he called me today, I was like, hey man, we need you to do this. No doubt, I'll help you out. No
problem.
What did you the man? You are. I said earlier that we had robbed on and he like I knew Rob grown up as a skater and then he came on and he like just surprised us so much. I think his video has hundreds of thousands of views that when we did with him which is good for us and you're kind of in that category where you're where, I'm like, I had good expectations because I listen to a lot but you're a lot more insightful than I thought and I thought you were pretty insightful and and your
You're just a good guess. Maybe next time you'll have a better setup instead of just being on your iPhone.
Here's the yeah. So here's the thing about that, so I don't own a computer. My company like think Boy network has whatever 12:15 computers. I'm I'm like that anti I'm not anti kind of Technology guy. I don't
like it. Seems that seems good for a internet company owned. I
know, right? Mark. Yeah, can you tell? I'm gonna fail by next year know.
So, we did the same with a guy. Mark Lori, who bought the Timberwolves. He's a like famous entrepreneur. He's a billionaire. And he came on he was doing the same thing. He's like, is this good guys? He put his iPhone on a chair on top of his do any label? The only nigger. Did he stood up? And he talked and we were, like, Duke use your computer. I don't know the computer and we were like it hits different when it billionaire says. It's like, you know, somebody else says that, you're just like, man, what a schmuck and then you hear him say you like this guy knows what's this guy knows how to live.
Got it, he's a fucking computer. Says, because like he's got a person, you know,
he's got people, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't
have computers but I've humans. Yeah, no I do. You guys think somebody do this? I'll do it at the boy Studios. Usually every Wednesday, I'm in stadio but today because yesterday, I did three podcasts in a row. The two are meeting for this new project, I'm doing. So I start at 7:30 a.m. And then by the time I got done with that meeting, I was I was home around 5:00 when I bought my kids.
Lizards put fed them dinner went put them to bed, then rushed Over The Comedy Store and I got home at 12:30 last night. So today's my first off day and I don't know how long and then tomorrow Montour in Atlanta, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, I'm Atlanta doing shows. So, you know, I'm always in studio and I have the team set up so it looks professional. So I owe you guys. I owe you guys, but I'm gonna die. I hate electric cars. I think their disaster. I don't like electric cars. I don't like iPhones about the switch to a flip phone. I just, I don't, I just don't feel
Tribe to admit, I don't think it's healthy.
Let's add a couple of zeros to your net worth, and then we'll call it cool. But until then we're no running off
like a cool. You're a fucking caveman. Your same, man. But like, maybe maybe,
maybe just, I'll send a few zeros and we'll call you a genius, but until then your
Neanderthal. Yeah, yeah. I feel bad. I'm just as broke guy doing on it. I think. Step,
what do you think you for doing this? You're amazing. And we appreciate
your coming on God. Besides my setup, just got sad fast at the end.
All right, that's the episode.
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