Hello everybody, welcome back to the show another emergency episode today in the wake of the events this past weekend with Trump's assassination attempt this time with Mike Baker who is a former CIA operative and he has a great insight into domestic politics international relations how this will be changing the landscape of politics over the next few months up until the November election what this means for the Trump campaign the Biden campaign how other countries are going to interpret this intelligence failures from a sort of more a
agencies systematic systemic perspective for works. And again same as yesterday's episode. No ads no interruptions. No nothing. I just wanted to get some information from people who have expertise out there. So I hope that you take something away from this one, please welcome Mike Baker 3 2 1 Mike Baker welcome to the show. Thanks very much ground preciate you emergency episodes needed to have a chat with you. How big of an
This failure was this.
Well, it's you have to think of it more as a logistical failure as opposed to an intelligence failure. This was a breakdown in what should be very Standard Security protocols and let the Secret Service. Does that very well, but clearly right and you always have to guide caveat this with one thing. You have to always wait for an investigation to finish right? There it currently in the middle of their own investigation as to what the hell happened and obviously a
As soon as this happens everybody on social media is an executive protection expert, right? So everybody's talking about you know, exactly how this happened. Well, well, you know, I think so. I think it's important not to get out over your skis but in a situation like this clearly it would be insane to say that there weren't failures who weren't breakdowns here and even people with no experience can can look at this and say, I'm sorry, how did you not have somebody?
On top of a roof that had line of sight to the stage to the rally event. And so typically look when something like this happens and I've done countless, you know, Advanced plantings and security assessments and risk and threat assessments and and typically when something happens like this, it's not one thing right? It's a series of mistakes or Miss steps that compound and then you end up with this.
This goat rope that never should have happened. So they're doing an investigation Congress of course is called for an investigation. I wouldn't expect anything to come from that because Washington DC as we're all investigations go to die and but the the bureau is involved Secret Service obviously doing their own hot wash and they sit underneath the Department of Homeland Security, you know, so if DHS does a review fine
fine,
but there's so much video footage of
this right and it happened in real time with so many people watching and so many different angles that
I think in this case unlike sometimes sometimes you get investigations of a an event and you don't get much transparency, right? Because internally, they're trying to figure out okay, how do we improve this? Well, you don't want to necessarily talk about all that activities because you're informing people who might have a nefarious intent, but here it was it was clear for everyone to see that there were a significant number of issues and problems
whose responsibility who does the buck ultimately stop with one.
We're talking about this Homeland Security Secret Service local law enforcement.
Well, I think what you're going to find likely is first of all in terms of who has Primacy on the ground. It's a secret service, right? So they established a security perimeter and then according to at least early reports and what what secret service is saying is then they designated local law enforcement is having control outside that designated security Zone which included the building where the
shooter took up position
But that's you know, ultimately it's the secret service has responsibility. So they should have obviously said, okay. So what are you doing in relation to those buildings that have line of sight and if local law enforcement said well, we've got a got a couple of unarmed officers that are patrolling the ground and you know interacting with the attendees that we've got then you'd say. Okay. Well, how about you give me a State Trooper or one of your local officers up on that rooftop and that one over there?
Building right that's got line of sight and you post somebody up there just cover it down that secret service has ultimate responsibility, even if you know, theoretically okay on paper this area over here is under the control of local authorities.
So there is a procedural problem. There's a command and control problem. There's a Communications problem during the course of this rally. I think you'll also find there was some command and control issues in terms of the ability for this sniper or the counter-sniper team on site and they had a couple of them up there to act right and there was probably I don't know this I'm speculating right but I'm speculating based on experience from past events that you know,
May have been a lag time in getting the you know, the gonogo figured out terms of taking a shot on the target.
There may have been problems at the top of Secret Service in terms of what did they allow for as a security package for former President Trump
when you say that you mean the number and quality of the people that were on the ground?
Yeah, you've got a kind of got a standard, you know former president Security package because they get coverage for life after they finish their time and you could easily argue that perhaps
apps the package for Trump given that he's now the presumptive nominee for the November election that clearly he
he draws a lot of heat should have a lot of pure being beefed up should have been beefed up and looked also locate and it was under the Trump Administration when you know, we Tagged so Imani and the Iranians in their various proxies are still very upset about that and we know that they've been looking at various opportunities to try to Target individuals, they feel responsible. So there were a variety of reasons why you could look and go down the package for for former President Trump needs to
More robust than say what we would normally allocate and so that maybe I don't know. I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying that maybe an issue where now you've got more of a procedural problem with management, right? Hmm and then you've got the whole other issue of just general discourse if you demonize somebody on either side and call them Hitler fastest, you know intent on destroying democracy a threat to the nation as
President Biden's referred to them even the day before the shooting you're probably you know, inciting some irrational person who you know may not be able to process all that as hyperbole. Right and I can just take the literally
this is a point that Tulsi gabbard made what she said that how can you expect someone to not try and stop Hitler if you keep calling them Hitler would you not go back in time and try and kill Hitler and if literally hit look there was a magazine that
The him looking like the few number of magazines that have had him basically in the same poster style that adults Hitler did in the past. You know, how many more and allergies do you need to draw and it's one of these things where until the repercussions and the consequences of doing that become kinetic everyone thinks that it's just a lot while Trump's bombastic. He's gregarious. He says crazy things. We need to push back with the same sort of technology that he uses which is words and and imagery and then
Someone takes it up a notch. Yeah, look, I mean it's it's clear and people always say yeah, it's what about isn't but it's clear. It's a problem on both sides right on the edges of both sides. There's all this rhetoric and hyperbole. So there's no doubt about that. But you're right. Look at the new Republic in that was one of the magazines that had the sort of this propaganda poster of trump as Hitler. They're throwing these things out there and I think rational people look at that and go. Okay. Well man, that's over the top its rhetoric.
Probably I get it you guys are using this as a campaign strategy, but there are a lot of people out there who aren't going to process it that way and disappeared on these rabbit holes. So there's a there's a lot of layers here. So when you say who's responsible, you know, it depends on what
Alton level of magnification you want to look at it from yeah. Yeah. Why does the why does the Domino begin? One of the things I did read was that there was a lot of Homeland Security contractors on site as opposed to
Secret Service agents that there was a more heavy Reliance on local law enforcement than you would have done. Typically. I'm going to guess that this is the package that security detail packages. You mentioned just being more diluted than it should be you have some talent and it's some of the talent I guess it's questionable based on the video footage, but then you also have this sort of the outer regions which are maybe not even more as competent and more of that was some by contractors and more of that was done by local law enforcement in typical.
Yeah.
The election season any election season, right? But particularly now when everything so heated and both sides have been lobbying hand grenades at each other for quite some time. It's a difficult time for secret service, right? They're just they're stretched, you know thin because there's so much to do and they and their resources are working constantly. So yes, they drawn but they typically drawn even you know, when when it's not an election season, they draw on local authorities, and there was a significant Presence at the rally of
Of Butler County police and you know, there's going to be some other issues about you know, there was an encounter between one of those police officers who you know attempted to go up and interact with the shooter and then, you know, didn't when the shooter pointed a gun at him and then you know, the the firing started shortly thereafter, but look there's a real break down there right? Because you've got a moment we're obviously this guy has enough time to go to the building.
Try to get up to the top of the building to interact. Where are the comms with with the you know, counter-sniper team saying we I'm going up on the top of the building to interact with somebody who apparently has a weapon because lots of people on the ground saw him and alerted the authorities. So there's there's again as I mentioned this it's never just one thing. It's a series of problems. Usually that contribute to a security breakdown. It's
interesting. I get what you mean about during an election cycle. There's more people in more places more checks need to be done but
But it's not like you don't know this right, you know, reliably it's going to happen in four years time and for years after that and for years after that, so all of this could have been prepared for an advance whether it's training whether it's recruitment, whether it's whatever you need in terms of Staffing. I remember reading not so long ago as well after Trump's indictment conviction, whatever it is that there'd been some suggestion to completely rescind.
The security detail from him or at the very least to dial it back as some kind of recompense that he needed to pay for now being a felon
exactly. Exactly. Yeah. That was there was a move in Congress by think it was Congressman Jeffries. Maybe I'm I don't want to get caught with the wrong name but one or a handful had I think kind of floated the idea that will probably be some
Who's been convicted shouldn't have Secret Service protection. It's an asinine idea. I mean it was a completely asinine idea because he's still a former president and he's still the presumptive nominee, but they were trying to score some political points. Right? And that's that's been part of the problem you get you're getting a lot of dysfunctional and irrational Behavior because you know the an element within the Democrat Party has this this I don't even know how to describe that the the hatred for Trump.
But then again on the right side on the extreme right of God, we see you've got the same sort of right erected goes and and and demonizes the Democrats and Biden and all this. It just it's not it's not a good place for the nation to be obviously given what can happen and what we saw happen on Saturday.
It's at least at the moment a little bit asymmetric that only one side has control over how much protection and ex-president gets and you know, it's so it just seems to me it's
To me like the amount of protection should be proportionate to the Potential Threat and you know regardless of whether you like or don't like Trump. He's a pretty big Target. I mean, you know, you know, you don't need to do much to Biden to cause him to fall over but you know Trump's a much much larger Target
if I'm gonna get on my life that would go but yeah, you know, you know, you know wrong and that's why you do risk and threat assessments on a constant basis, right because the risks
The threats they change they can increase it can decrease and you're always doing that whether you're talking about executive protection, you know for political candidate whether you're talking about, you know, what sort of level of protection you provide to a facility or it doesn't matter. So you're absolutely right and they should have been looking at this now they did say that they there has been some comment that the Secret Service did Heavy up the the Security package to some degree back in June I believe for trunk.
But it's only now that they've approved Secret Service protection for Robert F Kennedy, right? And yeah, you know that's an indication that really what the Democrats wanted was. They just wanted him to go away they didn't but they almost didn't want to acknowledge. The Kennedy was a candidate out there
and Mike turn your turn your phone on a silent for me, please.
Yeah. Yeah, so it's not my phone. It's my irritating laptop. And I you know what? I have no idea if I turn that down.
Down I think that might be is there a
little button. Is there a little button at the top of your screen that looks like a half
moon. Look at you with your it knowledge press that there you go. All right, maybe that
works beautiful. All right. We'll see ya. Yeah, dude. So I've been to I went to dinner with an R with r FK at a friend's house maybe about a year ago. Then I went to a rally thing of his in Austin about six months ago. And then I went to another meet up with him about two months ago and at each one of those
He's made it very very plain. I have no security detail. I have no extra special care from the government despite the fact that I come from the most assassinated family in American political
history. Yeah, it was insane it would you know and has been in that but I do think it was a it was essentially for a very political reason which was we don't want to acknowledge that he's a candidate. We just wanted to go away. Could you I mean,
you know and giving giving him the detail is almost like a stamp of approval in some way. This is a legitimate. Yeah.
Yeah, it's it's kind of that formalizing of his candidacy in a way, right? That's a lot of people process it that way. They see the Secret Service detail on the amount, you know, okay. He's a presidential candidate right and and they were so afraid of him taking oxygen out of the room. But now as a result of what happened on Saturday, they've reviewed I assume they're going to you know, increase the package for President Trump. They've approved a package for Robert F Kennedy, you know, they've been looking at I'm in Milwaukee where they have the Republican National Convention
It's in there, you know, they immediately got on the ground here and started reviewing the security go figure. I mean, that should have been done. Look this is not there's there's there's a methodology here, right and you can have little bits and pieces that that change based on what the event is but the standard practice the standard protocols really don't change that much. And so more than anything there were there was a command and control and Communications breakdown between Secret
us and local authorities that I would I believe in investigation is going to prove contributed mightily to what happened on Saturday. What will the process from here internally be to investigate. I imagine it's just going to be a fucking nightmare to try and work out who's culpable what happened? How's this going to occur whilst also doing the investigation which requires resources from the very thing that you're trying to now beefed-up given the failure.
Just occurred during a time when you need them more than ever but also their time is trying to be split working out. What the fuck happened.
Yeah. Well that yeah and you raise a really good point and that's where that's where our Congressional investigation can really kind of muck up the works get in the way because you know the, you know, they get out there and they start sucking up oxygen that really needs to be spent if you know doing operations, but look it's important right after after this go rope, you know internally Secret Service was doing a hot wash.
This made stop using these Woods. What do you know? I mean they were they were basically just doing a after action review of you know, what happened immediately in the aftermath of this thing, but there's a lot of moving Parts as you pointed out. Look it's there's DHS Personnel. There's the local law enforcement. It's not a good sign. That's so soon after this event. There's already some finger pointing going on saying well, that was theirs own. Not ours.
Butler County saying well, that's you know, it doesn't matter secret service has Primacy so they should you know be telling us what to do in a sense. So that's not necessarily a good indication. But you know, I think this thing has got to play out in public in part because you know the government agencies whether it's a secret service of the bureau the CIA whatever they you know, they they have lost a lot of credibility which is kind of a painful thing to admit.
But they've lost a lot of credibility over the recent past and so, you know, one of those things one of those ways, I think you build back some level of trust is to be more transparent and and again, they don't have anything to lose because everybody was rotting at zero. Yeah, they start. Well I meant I meant because everybody was watching they can afford to be more transparent. But but okay, I take your point. Yeah, so, you know going into the rest of this year. Do you?
I
think these sorts of threats are over or are there more serious risks to come as we get toward the presidential election.
Well the threats not over for sure, you know that never goes away, right? You never get this down to zero. It's not how the game is played. So they have to approach every event whether it's the RNC happening outside or whether it's any other campaign rally the DNC which will be taking place in Chicago. They've got to approach
roach every event in the same fashion, right? And yes, they'll be more under the spotlight, you know from the public and from you know, their own agencies in the various people involved, but that's a good thing. Right? It kind of refocuses the mind, you know, I'm not saying that the event on Saturday was a good time just saying that it's going to one of the one of the one of the end results will be everyone's going to be a little bit more on their game because they're going to be reminded in a
Very terrible way what's at stake they You could argue they shouldn't have to be reminded but do you know you do these events? And you do these events in the thing about executive protection is it can be a grind mentally it can be a real grind, right? Why? Well, you're you're standing out and outside a door, you know, Secret Service details as a lot of hurry up and wait, you know, it can be kind of mind-numbing it away, right? There's you know, then you got a movement. Okay fine now, I gotta go do another advance.
I'm doing the advanced and is there's a lot of routine a lot are you know wrote which you know can it can be a bit again. It can be a bit mind-numbing
which inevitably causes people to pay less attention which then allows small errors to kick up. Yeah. I was speaking to Tim Kennedy. I got him to break down the body language of the counter-sniper from the Secret Service that was on the roof and he's you know looking he's coming up off his glass he's going back.
And then he flinches and then he goes back down again. And you know, he Tim's assessment was he thought that was a person who's never been in a fight before that. That was someone who potentially hadn't seen Combat Action, but another thing to consider is that this isn't training you haven't just rocked up cat for caffeine, you know on the range with your buddy. That's your Spotter and I know when I'm going to need to shoot you've been for how many hours sat up there doing this thing, you know that sort of endurance and as it continues
In use to go on but again that it seems to me that all of that can be fixed just by more volume and higher Quality Personnel, you know, if you've got someone that's doing the night shift don't make them do the day shift. You can have sufficient resources that you don't need to drain everyone like that.
Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. You've got to have you've got to have sufficient Staffing and and again talking about how much of a grind it can be. It's not the sort of business where you can just you know, just just work through people.
Until they're exhausted, right? You've got people have to be at an Optimum level all the time. And so that requires you to be able to work through a number of shifts of rotations. And so you have to have those resources but look I and and training, you know, you've got it you've got to have constant training and and that costs money and time and so sometimes those things get kicked aside. I don't I'm not saying they did. I'm just saying that you know, sometimes in the world government, you know, sir.
When things can be pushed aside in favor of other things that are really as operationally beneficial
so likely do you think it is that the heads of Homeland Security or the Secret Service going to end up getting fired or disciplined for
this?
Well, I don't think DHS my orcas. I don't think isn't going anywhere. He's he seems to be, you know coded in Teflon because you know, you could argue. He should have been fired for the you know for the lack of management of the u.s. Southern border for the past three years, but I don't think he's going anywhere Kimberly Cheadle over at Secret Service. Look she you know, she's been there what almost 30 years maybe longer she was you know, an agent and
Supervising agent for 27 years finished up then went to
forget
Pepsi. I think where she was Global Security director, and then she got called in. She had worked on Vice President Biden's detail years and years ago. And so that who knows maybe that was part of the connection, but she came back in to run the Secret Service. Is she going to be kicked out? I don't think so Washington d.c. Is not typically a place where people get fired.
Why is that just nepotism and people know people
people and people know things and you scratch my back.
Yeah, I think you know look, you know people people get reassigned and lower levels, you know, if there's if things go sideways typically, you know, that that shit rolls downhill and so you may get you know, mid-level officers or agents, you know, they get reassigned or put on ice but typically people don't you know higher levels, you know, they're not expected to pay the price. I don't know why.
But it's a little bit like it's a little bit like this problem with with the Civil discourse and people talking about how we have to turn the temperature down. Right? Well that requires self-awareness and it requires a willingness to accept some responsibility for where we got to now right because they were part of the problem but I don't think politicians necessarily or political appointees tend to be, you know loaded for bear with self-awareness or willingness to accept responsibility.
What do you think?
Owens to the political discourse moving forward from here. How do you think it changes or doesn't if I think give it
another 10 15 minutes and we're going to be right back. We're going to revert to the mean and I have no doubt that there will be a short period of time including I think including Trump's nominating speech at the RNC. I think you know that's going to be more die.
Back, then people would imagine coming from Trump. He
saw that he rewrote a brand new one.
Yeah for yeah, and I'm sure he dead look he's got look at it. I don't think you can go through that an experience like that and not have some
moment of
reflection right now whether it lasts whether he can change his stripes, I don't know whether the Democrats can change their stripes who knows, you know, look they ran a campaign based on Trump is a fascist and he's going to destroy it.
Democracy and it was working for them. Right it was energizing at least their base and and I think they felt like that's the narrative they were going to run with for the next few months. I don't think I don't think either sides really going to dial it back significantly for any period of time. So, yes, they'll be this still be a moment. But then I think everyone's going to kind of revert back to the normal jump back in their trenches and you know, we'll be right back to that Biden said or at least the time said that they turned off that campaign ads.
Little while sort of a show of a mark of respect. I imagine that if you'd kept running those the be some in there that are absolutely tone-deaf for a guy that just got shot but yet there is a big question. Can you say that Trump is Hitler one day and then the next day wishing well given that he was just shot.
Yeah the seam. Yeah. I know I know is this where it's blowing With the Wind? Thank God he was only grazed.
Yeah, I it's a yeah, it's a really good question. But I think what they're counting on is the attention span of the Americans maybe you know, but he's so busy just trying to get by and feed their families and do their work and kind of whatever and they're all staring at Tick-Tock. Anyway, so I think they honestly think yeah sure we can we can get away with this incredible pivot from he's going to terminate the Constitution and take away.
A all your rights and he's you know the biggest threat to the nation and and then turn around and go. Well, we sure I talk to Donald and I told him I was here. Yeah, but I think they feel like, you know, they can get away with it because they done it.
So yeah selective Amnesia or of the entire populace. So I'm glad that you brought up Tick Tock your favorite topic of discussion. I this is the first time.
The I've observed actually I didn't even do this with January 6 because with January 6, they actually watched mostly Fox News CNN coverage. I was watching things be streamed live, but on Saturday this happened just as I was going for dinner here in Montana and I for the first time realized just how important X Twitter is as a social media. It was a genuine utility.
For everybody that wanted to know what was going on and I wasn't I'm not going to Facebook to find out this information. I'm not going to tick tock to find out this information. I'm not going to Instagram to find out this information. I'm not going to the mainstream media to find out this information like mostly peaceful, but fiery assassination attempt from CNN or whatever their headline
was. Yeah, there were some headlines. There are some headlines that he was pulled from the rally because he fell down and Secret Service interrupt Trump.
Ali yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well there was there was a New York Times article just today that said, you know that referred to the assassination attempt as that somebody shot at the president during a rally and you think okay. So so I agree with you, you know, I think X has kind of proven its its usefulness in this great event over the weekend. Yeah, I was I was I spent probably more time monitoring what?
Happening there then I think pretty much anything else. Although I was super fact I was perfecting a new tick tock dance. So I had to it wasn't easy but it's gonna be a
hit. I tell you what else I didn't see much of I didn't see much sort of crazy misinformation wild accusations. I haven't seen much that people have really needed to row back now is that the is that the benefit of the platform or is that simply?
Just because of what users were talking about, you know, you can't promote a tweet which lies about something that somebody doesn't actually post you can only actually promulgate whatever messages people say, but yeah, I was I was really impressed. I was looking at x and going holy fuck like we need this thing and I'm not I've not had that sense really before it's just like, oh it's you know, if you've got truth social on one side and you've got X kind of more toward the middle and then you've got threads on the other side.
No, it's just it's just another one of these but it made me think differently. I think
yeah, I think the it takes a little while for the crazy to come out. Right? So I have seen some conspiracy theories, you know, this was an inside job, you know, and you know, and then of course all the all the you know, the sort of the armchair executive protection Specialists, you know talking about exactly you know, how what went wrong five minutes after the event right? Are they? Okay? Well, at least let the dust settle a little bit.
For
not supporting the Bloods up off the off the stage.
Kanye might be might be good. But now they did he look D. The imagery was amazing the like them or hate them, right and there's a lot of people on both sides of that for Trump, but you have to you have to think good God, right? I mean he the fact that he stood up had the wherewithal the kind of like face the crowd, you know, give him that indication and he was fine. Then he was you know, that's those.
Thanks, right. You can't teach that that's that's kind of in there somewhere. And so I think that was that was amazing right again people who hate them are going to say it was terrible. He shouldn't have like shook his fist at I did hear CNN was upset with him because he shook his fist at the crowds and fight and they were like, well that seems
inappropriate. So King, he's soaking a wartime rhetoric. You
just got shot. You just gotta just got shot you're upset because he's like shaking his fist and he's like, well, that's that's that's not
a pro an inappropriate inappropriate to get aggressive when you fit when you've just been shot. Yeah, dude. I said this to Tim look I have got I sort of respect Trump in the I find him an interesting orator and his sort of staying power has been has been impressive but I've never before said that I admired him, you know, I don't know.
Whether it's because he's kind of like a WWE character, which he actually also happened to be briefly for a little while or he's super gregarious and he's out there and he's all of these things and he's like older and he's from a different culture and all of these things lots and lots and lots of things right and I saw that video and then I saw that imagery and I was like that is fucking bad ass. That is a ute. There is no amount of media training or exactly the top down.
Toriel rhetoric building and image sort of promoting that you can do to make being shot then standing up and putting your fist in the air and going fight fight fight. That is him. That's his character. Yeah, that is his character. We saw everything stripped back. Who is the guy like if you want to know who someone is shoot them in the air, right? Well, let's say okay now for you for those of you watching at home. That's it.
Let's step back on that guidance, but okay kids. No, but I take your point. And also there's the Striking thing is just the the contrast right between that and and what we had been talking about on Non-Stop right on Friday and Thursday and Wednesday before that which was illness fragility Wellness the mental acuity issues from Biden and so that contrast I think is going to hit.
Really hard for some time now going through this election and obviously, you know, the Republicans will use that imagery, you know, but I think they have the rest of the time they have to meet but they do have to be careful while I mean just you don't want to you know, because look what we did was a fatality there, you know people maybe maybe more. Yeah, maybe more and so I think they are going to want to so I'm hoping what this does is I hope it dials down the discourse.
I hope it keeps things for a little bit of time. And again I'm cynical but maybe you know civil and I hope it makes the Trump campaign more reflective about their strategy and their tone and the way that they approach things.
What what does what does that mean be more specific for me? Well, I think log everybody
talks about everybody talks about how you got to win the moderates, right? You gotta win the the independence, you know, if you're going to win it all in November.
and I think
If what we got was the Trump of old right? He's not winning those people right? Because they already left him in 2020. That's why he didn't went right because they were like, I'm tired in the chaos. I'm tired of the noise of tired of the you know, all of this and and
so I think that if this
makes him more or the campaign more reflective and they say, you know what, you know, let's let's let's continue to dial it back Democrats are going to do whatever they're going to do if they get back to throwing
And grenades. Okay fine let them but let's be the let's be the contrast right? I think that's the way that you get and then just focus on policies just talk about policies nothing else
and you already had a little bit more of a pivot to a slightly more Statesmen like version of trump during the debate and then after the debate, you know, there was no posting about Biden there was no silly tweet or what equivalent there was there was none of that it silence was his greatest weapon for the first
I'm ever
I'm really absolutely when you when your enemy is imploding. Don't get in the
way get in the way. Yeah precisely talk to me about what you think. This does to Trump's image among the American populace. How do you think that this incident changes it if at all
well, I don't know that it will go I think it
I think it will make a difference with some who were undecided not necessary. I'm not talking necessarily about you know, Independents and moderates who are focused on politics, but I think those people who you know, maybe don't spend a lot of time thinking about politics but we're still kind
of undecided maybe maybe unregistered. Oh, yeah, I wasn't I wasn't sure if I was going to vote at all.
Yeah, I think that that and then part of that will be that contrast between this guy standing up after shot and what they saw during that debate if they happen to see Clips or they watch
Some of the debate I think that contrast will influence a certain group. I think if he can if he can I don't know statesman's the right word, but I think if we can be more moderate than and speak to the issues and just stay there then I think that can influence those moderates and independents perhaps that that are a little more focused on politics and did abandoned or banned in the campaign the last time around so I think it can have an impact look the Democrats, you know, they must be amazed right now.
Right because all that conversation about Biden that's that's nowhere to be found. Right that's done. At least for now. People have not talking about buying they're not talking about his feebleness is mental acuity. Is he still fit to serve and so I think the white house if anything has taken a breath and going on thank God. I'm not sure that's I think that
I get what you mean the it's a good day for bad news or it's a good day to be senile I suppose but the problem is that this recent shooting
Assassination attempt is framed against the foundation that we already had everyone's still already has that in the back of their mind, you know, the fragility that we've seen of the existing president the fact that he doesn't have that sort of Gusto and that getup that we want to show from a leader up against China up against Russia Etc. And then you have this even if you're not looking at it anymore. It's like just being in a cold bath and getting into a hot one you like holy fuck. This is different. So
I do think that that's going to be there. I also agree. I think the more
Mature and standoffish that the Republicans can be when it comes to messaging around this. I think that's going to benefit them more for the first time ever. This is one of my George who I'm traveling with at the moment told me this yesterday for the first time ever Trump has a victim card. He's never had a victim card before Trump has that he has a fucking victim
card? Yeah. Yeah. Well, although I would argue that the base right his is loyal loyal.
Orders view him as the Supreme victim right just being victimized by long fair and the by demonstration and so I think that group always looks them in that regard, right, you know, look what they're doing to him
again and he's being shot in
the analysis.
Yeah. So another interesting thing is how much damage does this incident due to the left. Moral High Ground around not being the violent ones.
Yeah, I don't think they care. I think they just they'll just I've never seen any Awareness on their part that that could be an issue. Right? It's just sort of like that mostly peaceful antifa riots and you know burnings and violence. I think that they just brushed that aside and so I don't know that they're worried about that idea. They all jumped on the notion. They were they were they were really wordsmithing but they jumped on the notion in their statements about
The assassination attempt that the shooter was a registered Republican they you know, and by the way, why do all these guys look the same? I don't understand, you know, and I didn't I didn't say that. My oldest boy said that he said what the hell is it with with people like one of the what is the commonality, you know his point was maybe they need to do a study of all these people and
find that what was that? What was that thing that was super racist and done in the 90s was it for?
Neurology of physiognomy or whatever it was I think like that yeah face shape as being indicative. What do we what what do we know about the shooter? You know what at 20 years old from there from the area Bethel Bethel Park in Pennsylvania, you know, I've only heard a few comments from people who claim that they knew him in high school. And those are typical comments quiet loner lead lead, you know, is Dad purchased.
Legally Legally, apparently the long gun that was used on Saturday by his kid some six months ago and
you know, so there's not a there's not a
lot of information out there. It's interesting the bureau's got his obviously they got his electronic devices. They took his phone down to Quantico and you know, once again, they're they're you know, struggling it according to reports. I don't know whether that's the case or not, but they say they're struggling to unlock it.
Phone twenty-year-old Lonna from
apple green or whatever it is. Yeah, so I think it's
you know, what will get more detail. But that's one of those areas right? Well, you have to be I always hate to see people speculating about motives because that's one of the things in terms of an investigation regardless of what type of shooting event it is that you really need to let the facts, you know, come to light before you start talking and Earnest about I know what the motivation of the shooter was.
So bizarre money this definitely I think another discussion to be had around. What is the training of local law enforcement? You know, we've had it before I was watching this documentary about there's a name for them. What's the name for police officers that don't enter firefights, even though they should do it's like it's not coward order. It's like there's a specific name for it, you know, like a false valor or whatever. There's like an equivalent sort of name for it. But yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well just failing at Duty and
You know I saw in this same documentary I was talking about that. A lot of the police officers were saying that they spend more time in diversity meetings than they do with their firearm in their hand. Yeah that
and that is true. When you look at the consistency of training, that's why that you know, so one of the things that could drive you crazy during that that sort of the height of the defund the police was really just fucking stupid because if you want a better police force a more responsive police force more responsible police force.
You want to actually give them more funds for training? That's where it all starts. Right? So part of the problem is again going back to something we talked about earlier is that you know, a lot of times when you hit budget cuts trainings one of the first things to go and that can't be the case when you're talking about law
enforcement, especially not if you're going to be a guy who goes up a ladder and sees a dude with a long gun.
And yeah and that again, I'm fascinated by the comms portion of this and the line of communication because there's a period of time there right whether you
These alert the local authorities local authorities decide someone, you know, Bob's got to go over there and investigate what the same time all that communication should have been shared with the counter sniper teams and command and control from the Secret Service, right? They should have been making decisions in real time. So if that person was going up a ladder on that building, they should have had him in their sights at that point right now. Maybe they didn't have line of sight on the on the shooter. Maybe he you know, he was out of range not out of range, but out of sight and then he pops up and points.
His weapon at the but that's the time to shoot him as soon as I you know, I so there's Little Steps here. But again, you know, is it fair for me without the investigation being done to make all these you know statements? I don't know. I'm just speaking from you know from past experience on other events, but you know, they got to let the investigation play out. It's just it's such a the event had such magnitude and such an impact that it's natural. I get why people rush to make judgment or statements or talk about things it makes sense.
And do you think that this stops Biden from stepping down because Trump now has a martyr vote.
You know what? I think yeah, that's that's a yeah. It's a really interesting point, but I think it goes back to what I was saying when
I was I was trying to refer to the fact that the noise around buying situation has died down to no noise, right? So I think it does by him significant time and I think him coming out and saying, you know, look we need to be civil. We need to think about how we talk about each other. He's trying to be presidential he's trying to show obviously like with every event that he's had since the debate that he's he's up to the job, but I think
It's making it more difficult right for the Democrats to continue to beat the drum. There were probably prior to Saturday. They were probably more Democrats in Congress or in the Senate who were going to step out, you know, and say we think he needs to go right that that was a building drumbeat. I think that it's more difficult now for them to do that because of the events of Saturday and because of feeling like, okay, well, maybe you know, maybe we just got to stick with Joe
dude think yeah.
The last three weeks of fucking news.
Yeah, I think about the like, I've been really thinking about this past year, right? Everything's been going on. I mean obviously, you know, Ukraine fucking Gaza, right, you know the discourse on the around the election this event on Saturday. I mean good God, you know, all we need is a pandemic. Sorry.
Sorry, sorry. Okay, that's terrible. But you know, not that we won't get one will get again another pandemic by the happen. It'll happen. It'll continue to happen. Talk to me about JD vans.
Yeah, interesting. I guess not an unexpected Choice. They've been banging on for a while saying it was either going to be Vance or or burgum or Rubio and look JD Vance is close to his it to Trump's son. They're very good friends. He's he's an interesting cat right has I don't know anything about him explain to me who he is. Yeah, he's got almost no political experience. He wrote that book hillbilly elegy, which was a very
Interesting book. I mean it very interesting book and they made a movie out of it. I think but he's a political newcomer. He's been a very staunch supporter of trump out of he's at Ohio and
you know of the candidates
I don't know that if what you were saying was I want to I want to pick a candidate who can really help me win over, you know groups that I'm I need to win. I don't know that JD Vance is that person? Because he's he's already got his base. Right? And so I think Janie Vance kind of shares the same supporters Rubio, you know could have shown up a short up Florida. Obviously, you know with the Hispanic vote as well would help.
He's a much more seasoned politician burgum is you know, his good friend at Trump's he's got, you know, very good political instincts business instincts. Nikki Haley was hanging out there and I got to tell you if you wanted to moderate. So you wanted the independent voters You could argue Nikki Haley could have been a terrific Choice, except they got you know, they were so sideways with each other during the primary. What do you think? Do you think there's any chance that?
Changed his VP pick post Saturday now, that's interesting.
No, probably not. I think I think the the
wheels are in motion to my
yeah, I think the fact of that would have changed his decision possibly would have been if Biden and stepped out and it pulled himself out that that may have recalibrated the thinking perhaps over the VP pick but I don't think Saturday. I think at that point he you know, he just he went with Vance and didn't change his mind.
I was in a I'm in a group chat with a bunch of
Different people here one of them saying teal hired him at his VC fund mithril also endorsed his Senate campaign with the biggest individual donation ever for a senate campaign of 15 million dollars very happy with Vance super smart competent veteran Rust Belt blue-collar orientation also and sad that this is the case. He provides assassination
insurance.
Yeah, well get me Trump has been saying that right. He said, you know is his decision over who to pick would be, you know, if something bad happens, are they ready to step in? But okay to be fair, you know, every Presidential nominee says that I want my VP pick to be ready on day one and look I like I like Vance in the sense that he's he's unique right? He's not a he's not a 110 year politician, right? And that's not a bad thing at all.
And I like the fact that he's a veteran. That's a very good thing. So, I'm just saying it's an interesting choice in the sense that I don't know that it expands the voting Bloc necessarily for the campaign because it's drawing from the same kind of block as opposed to maybe one of the other pics but then again, you know, you want somebody that you can you know,
Be sympatico with and Vance has been a staunch supporter heat Nikki Haley might have just been a fucking nightmare from behind the scenes from day one. Well, I think it would have been it would have been a very interesting Dynamic. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the case in maybe Rubio, you know was a bit of the same way, you know, maybe there was some you know concern over past, you know, you know punches they'd thrown at each other. So who knows and at the end of the day does it does it matter all that much? I do know.
No that a VP pick matters all that much. Look at if Biden stays in you know, I think the key is got to be saying look, you're not running against buying you're running against, you know, president Harris because I don't think anybody in their right mind believes that Biden, you know makes it through four years if he wins. So a vote for Biden is a vote for Kamala Harris and you're willing to say the Kamala Harris, you know is is it could be the leader of the Free World and I can't even say that.
It with a straight
face. I mean that's that's more terrifying than the president getting shot. Oh the presidential candidate being shot in the ear. I've seen this map the election map of when Reagan got shot afterward and you've got red red red red red, red, red, red red. And then this one blue dots that remained up at the top How likely or how unlikely is that to be the case given the sort of never died. Never Trump Etc kind of even
After all of this, you've basically got the ultimate one-two punch like jab in the face Biden's completely incompetent punch. The other guy is totally competent and can literally get shot and stand up 15 seconds later. Yeah, but that's just surely there's no way that we can see a a huge red sweep in the same way because people are just so passionate about hating Trump.
Yeah. Yeah. He's that's it's a different if it's a different situation. You can't it's apples and oranges when you're talking about what happened with Reagan, I think and and
so like there's no way he's going to run the table or get anywhere to close. It's going to be a close race still and I think that you know, the jury still out maybe maybe when the noise dies down right and you know, the election really heats up again and the rhetoric, you know comes back kind of the way it was that the Democrats, you know, start re-evaluating again Biden's, you know, suitability and you know, so that could be that could be the next big event in
Of the election season that we're in the middle of
fucking hell. Okay. So one of the things that I really wanted to ask you one of your expertise international relations first off have any other world leaders of Interest said anything that's interesting and secondly, how do you think other countries the China's the Russia's the Iran's of the world? How do you think they interpret the ease with which a twenty-year-old bullied kid with bad hair was
To shoot the presidency or
off. Yeah. Well, I think that I think a jihadists and looking at it going what that's it. It's all the way up. I'm gonna do is climb up on a damn shed. Yeah. So I think that they're looking at it from a security break down and thinking oh my God, maybe we've been overthinking this I'm too much credit. Yeah, and so but it's not the Chinese regime has always Xi Jinping and foreign Ministry. They you know, they were very muted in their response after the assassination attempt and you know, they
They you know, wish I wished him well, but they tend to you know, try to be seen as not waiting in because they don't want anybody stepping in their business European leaders said exactly what you would imagine, you know, but it was condemning the political violence. It was weren't really many.
I'm trying to think Slovakia Robert fecal, you know, he made a couple of interesting comments because he had been you know, they try to assassinate him. Not that long ago shot him I think four times so he he alluded to the idea that you know, the the rhetoric from the opposition party, you know, probably played a role, but then there was pretty much just what you would expect, you know condemnation of political violence from from world leaders, you know, UK here star.
More the new prime minister he came in and wait and very quickly and and so that makes sense. It's you wouldn't expect anything different. I think Russian Russian. I'm trying to remember what they didn't really say much. I think peskov the spokesperson for the Kremlin made a made an offhand comment, but you know, basically with is not
any other another advertisement of America's in fighting.
Operational poor management the fact that one party that's kind of in charge of the protection detail for the other party isn't capable of stopping this it's more sort of America falling flat on its face on the world stage only recently after the guy that's in charge couldn't string a sentence together.
Yeah, it was interesting. I mean I speaking of that, you know the White House during the NATO Summit which was just you know concluded last week. John Kirby was asked and he said look, I you know, nobody in NATO questions Biden's abilities, right? We don't have to justify Biden to anybody they all you know, firmly believe well, what else did the NATO leaders going to say? You know, I mean they've you know, but it was it was interesting that that even at that point when it was clear that
That there were some issues the White House was still trying to portray buying this as you know, being on top of his game and sharp as a tack and all the other like I again, we're all getting older right? You know you me everybody we're all getting older we all age differently, right? It's not age this mental acuity and we've all got elderly parents. We've all got elderly grandparents. We all know what it looks like. So I think the problem the White House has even during this moment when that talk has died down.
Down is that people understand that process right? And they know what it looks like because they've seen it or they've had to deal with it directly. So, I don't know ultimately that they're going to be able to hold the line and keep him in there.
But frankly Kamala Harris and John Kirby and Curry Jean-Pierre and you know everybody in his little circle and his family. They've kind of been lying to the American public for quite some time now and trying to cover up what's been happening despite the fact that we've been seeing bits and pieces of it, but that's why he hasn't been out there. Right? What was it called? What was it called? When
you when you take videos out of context, what was that? There was a name or
cheap fake?
She was it. Yeah, that's what the our they were referring to it. It was a it was a cheap fake every time that there was a reference to it or that we were just and the media for the most part. We willing
to cover it up as well. Dude. Fucking complicit. Did you read I think it was Ben Asha. He wrote an article called common knowledge. I didn't read that. No, I'll send it to you. I'll send you after we so basically the brake lights fucking phenomenal. It's so good and it basically says that it's not enough for you to know a thing. You need to know.
Other people know that thing too. So for instance, it's not enough for you to know that Biden. It's The Emperor's New Clothes. Yeah, right. You can pick your favorite fairy tale of choice and the problem being that until you have reliable Insight that other people will agree with your position. Nobody is prepared to take the position. So it's not enough that you to know that you know, you need to know that everybody else also knows and what we saw on the debate night was common knowledge be
Distributed to the masses there was nowhere else for anybody to hide therefore when you come out as someone who previously had said Biden sharp as a tack or what. Are you never pick New York Times fucking like Washington Post whoever it is. Yeah, and then you pivot and say something else. Well, it's a completely Costless position to hold because everybody else knows it like it's the same with the Free Speech position, you know Free Speech doesn't matter for people who agree with you or who you agree with free. Speech.
Only matters for the people who you disagree with because it's a costly position in order to be able to hold that and it's the same with this common knowledge thing and it's so interesting to me because for those of us that exist terminally online and they're heterodox a sphere of sub stack it Stan. We have all known this for forever. This is something this is to me talking like doing jokes about Biden's mental degradation was hacky. It was so obvious that it felt low ball.
All to say and then you watch the debate and you go. Oh, there's people in the world who don't have access to my common knowledge. Now. I'm sure that this shit tons of stuff that I don't know about but that was one of the things that I did so much so that I take it for granted. It's an accepted fact and it's so much of an accepted fact that it would be hacky and lowball to make a joke about it. And oh the world thinks that this is fucking revolutionary and it really broke my brain for a while when I realized oh my understanding in the way that I see
And parts of the world and the way that maybe the rest of the part a big chunk of the populace does yeah is is fucking miles apart. I'm no fucking Clairvoyant political Divinity guy, but fuck me. I knew that and for it to be a revelation was just like, oh, wow. This really does show how Echo Bubbles and the still the power of Legacy Media to be able to filter what actually gets down to the sort of ocean floor of most people it while Wild
and the end there.
And the the ability to repeat your message, right? If you're you know, you just keep saying the same
thing over the tack sharp as a
tack shop and and then and then it works and then then we find out that they had been basically complicit in hiding this and you know, that's why and then of course, you know people come out and pundits come out and people who had just been on their shows, you know talking about how great he is, you know saying, well, you know, we've kind of seen this for a while, I can't believe that they've hidden from us and I think it's kind of like it's got like again what we talked about earlier calling.
Trump Hitler and then the next day wishing him. Well, you know, it's that it's that immediate turn around that to me is shocking but good people just move on right and they know that but they know they can do this is almost no shame because I just like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna pivot and completely reverse my position and I'll be fine in a day or two. It's shocking. But anyway in the interview room, just just rounding out the conversation on
security. Does Tim Kennedy?
Or Erik prince need to be cold in do you go private security to bolster Trump security detail, or maybe maybe other people's security details now? No, I think it'll guide, you know, I was out and we had a large operation out and Iraq early days of Iraq, right? I mean talking 03 04 05 06, I mean and you know, we were we had a large Private Security operation out there and and
That's a that's a that's a war zone. So it's a little bit different. But when we're talking about augmenting Secret Service with you know, private security. I II don't think so. I think look
Dave the challenges that you face. When you try to augment Secret Service with with private guys Rocky power you just
you just layering on potential Communications in command and control issues. And I just think it's and it's also I think look the Secret Service.
And their staff with some great people, right? We always have to be careful about, you know, there's this tendency to say that other all screwed dismantle it, you know, that's it was that cry, but you got to get rid of the bureau and get rid of the agency and do all these things and I'm thinking really that's that's that's your take on this how much just fixing problems and so the Secret Service augmented by local and state, you know law enforcement
they can do
Job, they've been doing the
job, right? You know part of this is
they've got to they've got to be
transparent again. They've got to come out and say these are the steps that occur and some of them won't surprise us because we all watched right but they've got to be very clear about what those steps are and they've got to be very clear about how they intend to not have it happen again, right and that's going to require some people taking responsibility and that's where I think that can be a problem because you have to make people at the time
Top take responsibility and maybe suffer some consequences as opposed to just saying, you know the officer on the ground who failed to communicate in real-time what he was about to do by going up on that building. You know, that's the guy whose you can all blame.
Yeah. I have had it in my head since Saturday. I wonder whether there is a level of negligence you reach where it almost becomes complicity.
Well, I think it's complicity. It could be. What's the word? I'm looking for a complacency, you know, maybe at times.
Why didn't you know it's just the reason I brought up the private security thing is I saw that trailer saying 30% of Secret Service staff are going to be female by 2030. I spoke to Tim and Tim explained to me that the mile time for guys versus girls to run is different the weight load that you need to be able to lift is different the high all of the rest of the stuff. You know, you saw a woman who was he came up? She came up to Trump's nipple Maybe.
Be you know got this big guy got this big dude and this like little woman
in production we decided that's where he decided to go. As far as the height measurement was the nipple classic that's precisely why she that's precisely why she got to and you know, I know what you mean and then you know, they would get a yeah that agent, you know, kind of fumble fucking with their weapon trying to reel, you know holster. It was the same one who used Trump hid behind Trump like this like sort of in that kind of like top of the fucking the got woman in the kitchen from Tom and
Like
that's a great cultural pull right there. Yeah, you haven't thought about that for a while. Have you Tom and Jerry? Look I had my people is there's no room for D EI in the world operations of security, right? You just simply choose the bit should be the way it is in everything not just those sectors but you'd choose the most qualified capable people and if they can't cut it then you move them out and you bring in somebody who's more capable and qualified and
You're right. You can't you there's a problem when you when you because I think the Secret Service will say that look we didn't lower the standards, right? That's not that's not what we did. Right, but you hear that all the time problem. Is that that belies the reality right? I'll never rock is a good example right there for a while. There was only one only bringing former, you know spec ops guys out, right? Well, that's that's that's a small pool right? There's not a lot. It's not a lot of former guys there that qualification. So then you started seeing, you know, everybody squat.
He's in everybody coming out there and claiming that they were a spec ops former, you know this and that and and so you've got a you've got a limited pool of capable people. I believe right that you can choose from for certain jobs and you just have to take those people and say fuck Tei. That's not what's important in this business. All right. And again, I don't want to rush to judgment right? I don't know the qualifications these people we have to kind of look and see.
You always let's be measured that sort of thing. But I take your point and I don't disagree with it at all.
Well with the problem being the reason that I meant, I mentioned Eric. Oh Tim of some of the private contractor is that you know, Tim brought it up to me. He said the people that you see that are on Trump's detail, even though they may not have performed like the A-Team they weren't hired yesterday. You don't get hired and then get put on a presidential candidates detail you are being in the agency for what you've been hired and trained law.
Long ago you've been around for a long time. So in order to say well we're going to rectify it. We're going to train better. We're going to hire better. We're going to change the DIA initiative we're going to do whatever it is that they say that they're going to do brilliant, you know, the 2028 election may very well be more way more secure than this one. But you know when you're thinking what's going to happen over the next however long RFK jr. Has just been given a secret service detail that's going to take some of the resources away and how many people are going to have their time taken up going through fuck.
Fucking meeting after meeting after hearing after court case after Joe investigation as you said sucking the oxygen out of the room and taking the attention away from the thing that it needs to be focused on. So, yeah, I don't know man. I mean America is not showering itself in glory and oddly. The only person that is at the moment is Trump. It's a great way to put it that's no I yeah, that's that's going to drive a lot of people crazy when they hear you say that but it's fucking true. It's fucking I do die.
Can go back and listen. I don't think I've ever been complimentary about Trump. Not that I was particularly critical of him over Biden, but I'm like, he's just a fucking duty to do the town of a bit crazy and I just think tell me tell me that you look at that photo and you don't think fuck. Yeah like that some late 80s flag fly-in Americana. Yeah, like legitimacy. Yeah, it's
chromosome. Exactly yelling Wolverines, right? Yeah. No, I
I again and it's that imagery that's so important right because people make decisions quickly people don't dig deep, you know, they're there and they're going to see that and maybe they make up their mind and you know what again? You can't we're going to argue with that. You can look at that and then you're going to look at President Biden from the debate. You're going to go. Okay, who's
more obviously? Yeah. What's today? What's an awesome awesome video that you can get ahold of so Evan the guy that took the photo. He is a Brazilian jiu-jitsu guy looks an awful lot like
Navy SEAL the mass he looks like he looks like a young soccer willing to harden fucking dude. And if you watch the video, there's a panned out version of the stage and those shots start firing. He doesn't stop and cower. He starts strafing across the front of the stage to get those shots with two guys that get them really interesting video that you can find which was shot on a pair of Ray-Ban meta glasses. So I've got a pair of those two, so it's a sunglasses that you were and they've got two little lenses on either side.
They can shoot up to about a minute of video in very high quality. Nicola representations really good and this guy so Evans the guy that took the photo the photos are going around everywhere. There's another dude who presumably got very similarly good photos as the
Yankees from The New York Times. I think yeah, Doug Mills, maybe. Yeah, so
he yeah, it is the girls. He had the foresight when he's around the back. He's around the back of the stage and the video begins, but you can't remotely start those glasses. So he's had his camera.
This or whatever it is like this and he shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot and he's taking his hand off. Press the button held it you have to hold it. If you want to take a video and then come back to that and if you watch iMessage Dean the guy that led it this episode you met him in Miami. My video guy. I was asking him. What is that? Dude Doug? What's what's that dude doing? Because you actually see from his glasses. You can see both of his hands, right? So he's got his hands up like this and you're looking at this thing and he he's shooting a lot. This is during a fucking fire fight. Yeah.
These guys it's so fucking cool. I love seeing people who know their craft inside out doing something and what's coolest about this isn't the shirt the shot that he get it to the seamlessness with which he does it so you see that he's shooting and he can't frame up properly. So he takes his hand off the front of the camera flips the screen down so that he can get a better look and he's he's working on his I think either exposure of focus whatever Dean said and then he's checking. He's checking the screen he's going like this and he was like he's
Working about every one to one and a half seconds. He's looking at the composition of his shot during this. So shooting shooting shooting look shooting shooting shooting Lux shooting shooting shooting shooting in the bust bust bust bust bust. I would like that one of the fucking coolest parts of it, you know notable,
you know, what else is amazing if you watched right behind Trump is some lady right as soon as the shooting starts literally shooting starts. She puts up her phone.
It and she just she just in the audience, right? She's a first or second row behind Trump. So you gotta Watch the watch the videos that are out there and you'll see she's got to I think she's got a white case on her phone and she's sitting there. I'm wearing a white shirt, I think and she and it literally it starts off and she just puts her phone up and I'm like God
that's fucking nails. So I don't know whether this is true Tim is the only guy that's told me that he said that the man who died.
Compound The Joy. Yeah, according a toy. Yes. He apparently this is what Tim said threw himself on top of his family and that he took the the shot in his head. Yeah. That's the basic what you're saying. Yeah. It's raising his body which is the Aurora Colorado shooting all over again, right that someone goes in and buy friends throw themselves on trade old
friends. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's you know, and I think I think that's another reason why look, you know.
If no one else had been hurt maybe they would treat a little bit differently, but you can't you got to be very measured about how they talk about this. I'm from the Republican side from the campaign side. And I think they their best thing to do is just let it go. Obviously, they'll probably reference it during the RNC speeches or whatever, but they got to let it go just go and then just and then just let you know some of the imagery speak for itself but move on and go to the issues and and it looks to
Calais to yeah to use it as a look at how awesome we are. We're hardest Zack.
And whilst the guy died and there's one or two people still in intensive
care. Exactly dude. I hate to say this but I gotta pop
that's all right, dude. I appreciate you for doing this emergency episode. I needed to get you on Mike Baker ladies and gentlemen, MB company man
and be company man. Also the president's Daily Brief podcast. Look at me marketing right now just before we finish up. I'm but now he's talked about that. But the president's Daily Brief podcast available on all podcast platforms, and we do a weekend.
The show now called the situation report.
You'll have a lot to talk about next weekend May. I really appreciate you say say for the RNC.
